This.

And why is no one concerned about the safety of transmen who may NOT have a penis in male prisons? Are only people who self-identify as women in danger of being raped?

Your insanity aside. I don’t recall any great experimentation with coed prisons in the 70-80s. In my area the prisons that were coed remain that way. We have no new coed facilities.

One might also wonder about the multiple people in this thread who expressed concern about having to build extra prisons because of trans women. I have seen this argument elsewhere which is odd to me.

It should be asked if those expressing this theory have shown any concern about the women in 12 states and potentially more as of now who are being thrown in prison for having an abortion. That is a larger net increase of the female prison population than transgender people. Have they expressed concern over the increase in the female prison population due to abortion bans? Or was that not a concern for them?

Weirdly, or not, HM Government does not take instruction from US poker websites. The First Minister of Scotland has just had to resign her post as a result of her failed Self-ID bill, which was blocked by HM Government and would have meant, among other things, putting male rapists in women's prisons. The Scottish public opposed the bill by two to one.

From the numbers I recall, if every abortion was considered murder there would be a 3000% increase in our murder rate (600,000 abortions, 22,000 murders). Certainly would lead to a huge increase of incarcerated women.

Not likely to happen in the UK. Most British women in prison are there for non-payment of fines. Half of all 'trans women' in British prisons, on the other hand, are there for sexual offences (compared to 20% in the male estate as a whole). As it happens, most of them elect to serve their sentences in the male estate. The ones who apply to be put in women's units are usually up to something and the government ought not to oblige them in most cases. (There might be exceptions for non-violent offenders who have had themselves castrated, but those are going to be very rare.)

Do you have a cite? While experiencing sexual violence growing up is well correlated with sexual crime later on, 50% seems high.

There's a Canadian article linked in post #17 that says the same thing.

Are you suggesting that experiencing sexual violence as a child is correlated with pretending to be a different gender later in life?

No, I was alluding to two things. Firstly, that LGBT youth experience higher degrees of sexual violence as youth. Secondly, my understanding is that it is well known that youth who experience sexual violence are more likely to commit sexual violence in adulthood. I don't have a sense of how strong these dynamics are for trans people other than to point out that the cited percentage (thanks for reminding me of the link) isn't necessarily surprising.

Referring to being trans as "pretending to be a different gender" is a pretty disgusting characterization.

https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics...e_offenses.jsp

Link to Bureau of Prison statistics. I attached the article in #17. It did not give me the info I was looking for but I thought it was relevant. 3.2% of inmates are in for murder and crime of violence. 12% for sex crimes. 48% for drug related offenses. So if the numbers are fairly representative of transgender inmates as well, it seems that 50~80% of post op transgender inmates would qualify for transfer under the new policy.

Your link in post #17 is strongly suggested that the numbers are NOT representative in trans inmates.

Yeah, it was flawed to use US bop stats and try to reconcile them with the Canadian statistics from the article.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...ata-shows.html

Article that says 40+% of transgender inmates from England and Wales are convicted for sex crimes. No indication of a % for violent offenders.

Sexual assault and rape are violent offences. There are non-violent sexual offences to do with indecent exposure and grooming, but note that indecent exposure is considered a serious warning sign. Former Metropolitan Police officer Wayne Couzens has just been sentenced to 19 months for three offences of indecent exposure, one of them committed only a few days before he abducted, raped and murdered Sarah Everard, the crime for which he is already serving a whole-life term.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...-b1064918.html

In 2019, to give one snapshot presented to Parliament, of 129 'trans women' in UK prisons, 76 were there for sexual offences, 58.9%, compared to 3.3% in the female estate as a whole and 16.8% in the male estate as a whole. Of those 76 men, 36 were convicted of rape and 10 of attempted rape. (Note that only a man can be convicted of rape or attempted rape in UK law, since the offence is defined as penetration or attempted penetration with a penis. American law differs, apparently.)

https://committees.parliament.uk/wri...nce/18973/pdf/

Rape and attempted rape are by some way the most common reasons why 'trans women' end up in UK prisons, accounting for a majority of all such inmates. These offenders should not be housed in women's units.

It goes without saying that few of the 48,000 'trans women' in England & Wales, according to the last census, are criminals. But some are, and at a higher per capita rate than other men in terms of sexual offences, and they shouldn't be in women's prisons, least of all just because they say so.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/news/fir...ualorientation

It remains to be seen how honest the government is in this matter, and whether they will really stop men like Stephen Wood aka 'Karen White' being put in women's units.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45825838

Sex offenses are separated from crimes of violence because not all crimes of violence have a sexual component.

Stop making **** up.

The government will, however, inevitably note that the First Minister of Scotland has just been forced to resign her position due to her absurd equivocation over the case of brutal double rapist Adam Graham aka 'Isla Bryson', who was sent to a women's unit under Scottish Government guidelines. In interviews, the First Minister actually appeared to create a third gender, 'rapist', to explain why Adam Graham, who she referred to as 'this individual' to avoid saying 'he' or 'she', couldn't be put in a women's unit as her own declared policy dictated.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64590421

It's you making stuff up, I'm afraid, and rather desperately at that. Rape and sexual assault are violent offences and, if you're pretending not to know that, you are saying something very bad about yourself.

No one really cares about your alt right fantasy views on anything, and none of your crap could possibly make me feel bad, you ****ing moron.

The UK plan being discussed here separates crimes into sex crimes and violent crimes. None of your "gateway" crime bullshit adds anything to this conversation.

There are violent sex crimes. They aren't mutually exclusive. Sexual and violent crimes can escalate. Ted Bundy went from peeping Tom to serial rape-murder. Jeffrey Dahmer went from exposure to serial murder, necrophilia and cannibalism. Many serial killers went from torturing animals to torturing and murdering people. Such escalation doesn't equate to a "gateway".

It occurred to me after posting that I had forgotten Dahmer committed his first murder at 18 but the point re Bundy remains, among several other serial murderers.

It’s wild that 57 gets to just make **** up constantly.

Pot...Kettle.

Fun Factoid:

Temp-banned by Browser:

TROLLY: 2

SHORTSTACKER:1

Not comparing the permabans or # of alternate screen names, Mr. Kettle?

Only talking about under the current regime.

I suspect Trolly never got even ONE temp-ban from Wookie.

We've talked about you not bringing up bans in regular threads before. Pls be careful or you may be about to tie the score. (Though trolly is never far from the go ahead run).