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09-26-2019 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Hey. Everyone knows the best way to stay informed on stuff is read the NYT, WaPO and to never question anything. I admit I fail at that.
I generally don’t have a problem with your level of information consumption. I think a lot of your takes are lolwtf, but you at least show some intellectual curiosity. It’s these dudes that keep coming in spouting the same debunked points and then spend two days shouting “conflict of interest” or “no collusion“ without knowing what the words mean or having any desire to understand what they are saying. And we have to give them the benefit of the doubt that they aren’t trolling. But the powers that be don’t understand that the benefit of the doubt is that they are trolling and arent serious.
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09-26-2019 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
I generally don’t have a problem with your level of information consumption. I think a lot of your takes are lolwtf, but you at least show some intellectual curiosity. It’s these dudes that keep coming in spouting the same debunked points and then spend two days shouting “conflict of interest” or “no collusion“ without knowing what the words mean or having any desire to understand what they are saying. And we have to give them the benefit of the doubt that they aren’t trolling. But the powers that be don’t understand that the benefit of the doubt is that they are trolling and arent serious.
You do not think it was a conflict of interest, I do. That's not trolling. That's two people disagreeing. Your only response so far is to create an ulterior motive for me thinking it's a conflict of interest.
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09-26-2019 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Hey. Everyone knows the best way to stay informed on stuff is read the NYT, WaPO and to never question anything. I admit I fail at that.
I mean, when we ask you basic questions about what really happened, or where we should go for real reporting, you clam up. Not sure where else we can turn.
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09-26-2019 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Original Position
I don't agree with this framing. Whether Joe Biden is the next president of the US rather than Trump or Warren is an actual real issue, more important than the minimum wage. So if there is a relevant difference distinguishing political theater for you here, it shouldn't be that this isn't an actual real issue.
If Trump and Biden or Warren are part of a revolving door of corporatists in the White House, then I fail to see how which of them becomes president is too worthwhile a concern. It's like arguing whether the CFO or President of Operations should take over for a retiring CEO. Sure they will have different management styles but they are still working for the same shareholders.
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09-26-2019 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
You do not think it was a conflict of interest, I do. That's not trolling. That's two people disagreeing. Your only response so far is to create an ulterior motive for me thinking it's a conflict of interest.
Us differing in opinion doesn’t mean we are equally correct or that our opinions are deserving of equal discussion/respect. I could have an opinion that Something is green instead of blue because I’m colorblind. Or that 2+2=5.

Continuing to have that opinion in the face of constant evidence to the contrary is where the lack of intellectual curiosity and trolling come in.

Continuing to push a conspiracy theory about Biden and using it as some basis to keep saying what trump did is fine is burying your head in the sand in the face of overwhelming fact and logic. That doesn’t deserve to be treated the same as a discussion of whether higher or lower taxes better society or other actual discussions that have two logical possibly correct sides.

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09-26-2019 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
I'm not the one arguing there is no evidence that a conflict of interest existed. If the accusation is enough, then it's enough to get an investigation. These are rules created by the left, not me.
If someone who claims that she was sexually assaulted by a Supreme Court nominee is enough to warrant an investigation of that nominee, then all accusations on different topics, however credible or not, are sufficient to justify an investigation. Checkmate.

Again, imagine actually believing that.

Every single post is a formal logic fail.

You essentially are arguing:

If X, then Z.
All Xs are Ys.
Therefore, if Y, then Z.

That's just a straight up formal logic error.

X=first-person claim of sexual assault
Z=investigation is warranted
Y=accusation (of any type)

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09-26-2019 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted

Continuing to push a conspiracy theory about Biden and using it as some basis to keep saying what trump did is fine is burying your head in the sand in the face of overwhelming fact and logic. That doesn’t deserve to be treated the same as a discussion of whether higher or lower taxes better society or other actual discussions that have two logical possibly correct sides.
There's a video of biden bragging he withheld funds unless they fired the prosecuter. CONSPIRACY! Lol
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09-26-2019 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiddyBang
There's a video of biden bragging he withheld funds unless they fired the prosecuter. CONSPIRACY! Lol
See this is poor effort trolling. I have to give the benefit of the doubt that this is trolling because otherwise the level of stupidity is too high...


We understand that the United States government pressured Ukraine to oust the corrupt prosecutor. It was a United States policy agenda, Biden happened to be the point man for delivering this policy agenda to the Ukraine. There is no conflict of interest in the Vice President of the United States delivering on this official business to pressure Ukraine to get rid of the dirty prosecutor that was refusing to prosecute corruption.
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09-26-2019 , 05:05 PM
They think it is a CIA agent who was invited to prep with aides as he is an expert on Ukraine.
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09-26-2019 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Let's be real here, if you read the report, it's obvious it was a lefty that made the complaint. In these types of thing, when you interject opinion and talk more about why it's relevant, rather than the facts, that's a very big tell to the motivations. That complaint is full of that kind of stuff.

Who ever wrote that report probably did it with political motivations, rather than any real ethical concern, and that's what is being relied on here, all the while the people relying on that report to condemn Trump are upset he is using Biden's conflict of interest for potentially political gain is just too ironic. People want Trump impeached based on a politically motivated whistleblower report. If you do not think that is more grimy than the damn phone call, then I can't really take your objection to what Trump did too seriously.
This is what unchecked tribalism looks like.
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09-26-2019 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
They think it is a CIA agent who was invited to prep with aides as he is an expert on Ukraine.
Noted leftists, those cia agents...
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09-26-2019 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
See this is poor effort trolling. I have to give the benefit of the doubt that this is trolling because otherwise the level of stupidity is too high...


We understand that the United States government pressured Ukraine to oust the corrupt prosecutor. It was a United States policy agenda, Biden happened to be the point man for delivering this policy agenda to the Ukraine. There is no conflict of interest in the Vice President of the United States delivering on this official business to pressure Ukraine to get rid of the dirty prosecutor that was refusing to prosecute corruption.
Right, and the fact that hunter biden serves on the board of a Ukrainian company making 600k/yr was being investigated by this "corrupt" prosecutor is nothing but a far right CONSPIRACY! Moron.
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09-26-2019 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiddyBang
Right, and the fact that hunter biden serves on the board of a Ukrainian company making 600k/yr was being investigated by this "corrupt" prosecutor is nothing but a far right CONSPIRACY! Moron.
He was both corrupt and not doing his job properly. After Biden got him fired he actually exposed Hunter to increased scrutiny. Biden showed that he has no problem throwing his son to the wolves but I think the fact that he did shows that he knew Hunter was clean (which would be more a testament to Biden's fathering as he never talked to Hunter about business ) And how couldn't he be since he was there to teach those Ukrainians about proper corporate governance? The Bidens are heroes to involve themselves in the world of Ukrainian business and politics and clean it up.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 09-26-2019 at 05:50 PM.
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09-26-2019 , 05:47 PM
Biden has cover.

Most of Europe didn't like the prosecutor.

That said, there is potential conflict of interest on how Biden handled his job tied to his son's net worth.

I think this is worse for Trump right now, but a lot around Hunter Biden between Ukraine and China and decisions Biden made as VP.

A year from now, Trump is going to have 500 other things that the media hates and the Dem's are mad about. Right now, Biden is in for the fight of his life and this doesn't help.

His lack of energy and focus are probably a bigger problem, but it matters.
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09-26-2019 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
He was both corrupt and not doing his job properly. After Biden got him fired he actually exposed Hunter to increased scrutiny. Biden showed that he has no problem throwing his son to the wolves but I think the fact that he did shows that he knew Hunter was clean (which would be more a testament to Biden's fathering as he never talked to Hunter about business ) And how couldn't he be since he was there to teach those Ukrainians about proper corporate governance? The Bidens are heroes to involve themselves in the world of Ukrainian business and politics and clean it up.
"Solomon’s stunning news will be the subject of Hannity’s top story on Thursday, host Sean Hannity announced. “There are documents from Hunter Biden’s legal team – the legal team from America – trying to assist Burisma to get out of this investigation. They show unequivocally that that legal team told the prosecutors as soon as Mr. Shokin was fired – in fact, the day that Shokin was fired – that the Biden team was trying to reach the new prosecutor. So people say there’s no connection between the events; why was Biden’s legal team rushing to talk to the new guy immediately?

Solomon further said that Hunter Biden’s attorneys advanced a false story to the new prosecutor about Shokin."
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09-26-2019 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Jsmith27
"Solomon’s stunning news will be the subject of Hannity’s top story on Thursday, host Sean Hannity announced. “There are documents from Hunter Biden’s legal team – the legal team from America – trying to assist Burisma to get out of this investigation. They show unequivocally that that legal team told the prosecutors as soon as Mr. Shokin was fired – in fact, the day that Shokin was fired – that the Biden team was trying to reach the new prosecutor. So people say there’s no connection between the events; why was Biden’s legal team rushing to talk to the new guy immediately?



Solomon further said that Hunter Biden’s attorneys advanced a false story to the new prosecutor about Shokin."
Wah??? Information coming out backing up Giuliani's claims? It's like he's the seer or something. How did he know?
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09-26-2019 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
Us differing in opinion doesn’t mean we are equally correct or that our opinions are deserving of equal discussion/respect. I could have an opinion that Something is green instead of blue because I’m colorblind. Or that 2+2=5.

Continuing to have that opinion in the face of constant evidence to the contrary is where the lack of intellectual curiosity and trolling come in.

Continuing to push a conspiracy theory about Biden and using it as some basis to keep saying what trump did is fine is burying your head in the sand in the face of overwhelming fact and logic. That doesn’t deserve to be treated the same as a discussion of whether higher or lower taxes better society or other actual discussions that have two logical possibly correct sides.
"The political pressure continued. Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion in crucial U.S. aid to Kiev if Poroshenko did not fire the country’s chief prosecutor. Ukraine would have been bankrupted without the aid, so Poroshenko obliged on March 29, 2016, and fired Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.

At the time, Biden was aware that Shokin’s office was investigating Burisma, the firm employing Hunter Biden, after a December 2015 New York Times article.

What wasn’t known at the time, Shokin told me recently, was that Ukrainian prosecutors were preparing a request to interview Hunter Biden about his activities and the monies he was receiving from Ukraine. If such an interview became public during the middle of the 2016 election, it could have had enormous negative implications for Democrats."

doesnt sound like a conspiracy theory to me, but hey what do i know, i only made money on trump winning and got into bitcoin in 2015, im not clearly way ahead of the curve LOL
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09-26-2019 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
He was both corrupt and not doing his job properly. After Biden got him fired he actually exposed Hunter to increased scrutiny. Biden showed that he has no problem throwing his son to the wolves but I think the fact that he did shows that he knew Hunter was clean (which would be more a testament to Biden's fathering as he never talked to Hunter about business ) And how couldn't he be since he was there to teach those Ukrainians about proper corporate governance? The Bidens are heroes to involve themselves in the world of Ukrainian business and politics and clean it up.
Biden wasn’t acting independently, Obama instructed him to get the prosecutor fired, he was doing his job.
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09-26-2019 , 06:01 PM
That's truly shocking. I wonder why the head of the executive branch didn't bring it to the attention of DOJ for an official inquiry.

I mean, instead of setting in motion an ambitious plan to to dangle a meeting over Ukrainian officials' head, then spending considerable effort in trying to make the transcript and evidence of a phone-call disappear and letting his personal lawyer rack up considerable frequent flyer miles in a scheme that wouldn't be out of place in a Pink Panther movie.

A skeptic might start to consider that this Trump fella isn't always above board.
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09-26-2019 , 06:06 PM
tame deuces, Rudy will be called to testify.

He seems to be the center of this.

Need to investigate who he met with and context of those conversations.

Also, interesting that there is a challenge of the validity of the transcript. I mean, they couldn't be that stupid. Ukraine has a transcript of the conversation, too!
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09-26-2019 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
That's truly shocking. I wonder why the head of the executive branch didn't bring it to the attention of DOJ for an official inquiry.

I mean, instead of setting in motion an ambitious plan to to dangle a meeting over Ukrainian officials' head, then spending considerable effort in trying to make the transcript and evidence of a phone-call disappear and letting his personal lawyer rack up considerable frequent flyer miles in a scheme that wouldn't be out of place in a Pink Panther movie.

A skeptic might start to consider that this Trump fella isn't always above board.
Uh, how do you know he didnt...... pretty sure this stuff is already being investigated and the walls are closing in on the democrat criminals.... tic toc homie
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09-26-2019 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Jsmith27
"The political pressure continued. Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion in crucial U.S. aid to Kiev if Poroshenko did not fire the country’s chief prosecutor. Ukraine would have been bankrupted without the aid, so Poroshenko obliged on March 29, 2016, and fired Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.

At the time, Biden was aware that Shokin’s office was investigating Burisma, the firm employing Hunter Biden, after a December 2015 New York Times article.

What wasn’t known at the time, Shokin told me recently, was that Ukrainian prosecutors were preparing a request to interview Hunter Biden about his activities and the monies he was receiving from Ukraine. If such an interview became public during the middle of the 2016 election, it could have had enormous negative implications for Democrats."

doesnt sound like a conspiracy theory to me, but hey what do i know, i only made money on trump winning and got into bitcoin in 2015, im not clearly way ahead of the curve LOL
where is this quote from. Ukraine has continuously debunked that the probe had anything to do with hunter biden.

oh nevermind.. your source is actually THE CORRUPT PROSECUTOR, that is saying this well after the fact backed up by zero evidence that this ever happened.

good job good effort.

lol..
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09-26-2019 , 06:14 PM
LOL Jsmith at taking the word of a CORRUPT Ukrainian prosecutor over that of our honorable representatives of the West.
I think one of the first things that gets taught in law school is that all Ukrainian prosecutors are corrupt and accusations of such should always be immediately believed--especially when US/Russian relations are involved.
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09-26-2019 , 06:17 PM
The three stooges vegas, jsmith and chiddybang.

Keep fighting the good fight bros
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09-26-2019 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
LOL Jsmith at taking the word of a CORRUPT Ukrainian prosecutor over that of our honorable representatives of the West.
if this was he said/he said you might be on to something.. but this is he said vs written case evidence, his successor, and his own government..
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