Probably, I only skim these parts

My naive guess is the NJ anti-conversion therapy law is much like the Canadian anti-conversion therapy law in that it is trying to legislate against the horrific right wing fringe practice of trying to convert an LGBT person into something they are not, as opposed to infringing on psychiatrists/doctors/etc/ being able to engage in their normal standards of care of supporting people, LGBT or otherwise.

It looks like gender is carved out.

Even if gender were not carved out, telling someone that you don't agree with their self-assessment is very different than engaging in conversion therapy. That's a common sense observation, which is why I was almost certain that you were wrong.

Sure. But isn't the law oftentimes not rational and stretched beyond its original intent?

Great. So it looks like the worry that "what if anti-conversion therapy laws have an unintended consequence of harming normal medical supports for gender-questioning people" point doesn't apply in NJ. I've never seen any suggestion in Canada that the Canadian law is harming standard practice here either, so I'm going to go ahead and guess that Mr. "Women have a human right to same sex spaces and sterilizing children is unethical" blogger raising these concerns has a slightly....skewed.....perspective.

LGB is completely different from T, and the two are only elided due to something called 'forced teaming', which is a political tactic. Certainly in the UK, a ban on conversion therapy is not needed, because conversion therapy is not a thing. I think there is only one recorded case of it ever actually happening. The drive for a 'conversion therapy ban' is strictly T-related and is intended to force vulnerable young people into social, medical and surgical 'transition' without access to the psychotherapy or counselling that might have spared them from making that life-destroying mistake. In Britain a large and disproportionate number of apparently gender-questioning pubescents and adolescents are either autistic or have been in care, and therefore subjected to 'trans' doctrine by abusive social workers. In Canada a large proportion are of the native people and the same factor of abusive indoctrination by malignant and manipulative social workers applies. Like all abusers of their kind, they target the most vulnerable.

And, as everybody knows, a very high proportion of those young people who present as gender-questioning or gender-non-conforming are simply homosexual. Left to themselves, in nearly all cases, they grow out of the 'trans' thing and accept that they're gay and just get on with it. 'Transition' is the only real and dangerous form of conversion therapy, imposed on young gay people by ill-intentioned and abusive adults. At the Tavistock GIDS in London, the 'transing factory' now being closed down due to the Cass Review which found its practices to be unsafe and unsound, practitioners used to joke darkly that 'The rate we're going, there soon won't be any gay people left.'

Well....he is apparently a Canadian lawyer so there is that.

57 on Red's schtick is always quite a sight to behold. Pretty sad that there is a corner of the internet catered to perpetuating those types of narratives

This is the next dea that I wanted to explore in this thread, but finding good numbers seems difficult.

Statutory law? Often? Definitely not.

57 and luckbox putting on a clinic here. Both these lads do all their own research

Do you have something you want to discuss, argue about, or learn-- or are you just here in this thread to troll?

You’re the one who keeps demanding he have a platform to spew his hateful ****. Great work.

You seem to not know who uke is so let me explain so we do not get any more of these type posts from you.

uke lives for this. If he is not getting 'hateful' stuff he will make it up and attribute to others (as share that element) so he can virtue signal against it.
So when this thread is closed uke loses the ability to feel he is showing people how good and pure he is.

uke would gladly see myself and any poster he disagrees with become more like that poster. To push them that way. I don't think, honestly, anything would make him happier. More 'bad' people to fight and virtue signal against.

I don't think you're correct about Uke. He genuinely believes in this issue and cares not for his own self-aggrandizement.

I'd argue you're the troll and I'm just observing

Ok. Let's argue that. How am I trolling?

Uke is trying to get you banned. I’m on your side here, I know you don’t have control over your impulses and this thread isn’t healthy for you. Uke wants to see you flip out endlessly over imagined threats.

I'm not going into all this with you. I don't share your enthusiasm for internet arguments. I told you you're wrong, you know what I was talking about. You're trolling bc you adjust your arguments ever so slightly every time they're proven false. Now you and 57 can start your own support group for confused, threatened heteros

Being wrong about one thing of little consequence has turned me into a "confused threatened hetero"?

Isn't adjusting arguments after you're shown that they are wrong what people are supposed to do?

Care to share your work on these, um, interesting assertions?

Let's not muddy the waters with cites and facts. This is a safe place where we do our own research, remember covid?

Is it your gripe more that people are trying to think for themselves or that they're just not trusting the experts on this issue?

https://www.thetaskforce.org/wonky-w...l-orientation/

I don't know anything about native people in Canada but based on this survey, well over 50% of trans could be classified as homosexual or bisexual.