That is absolutely the norm for laggy when he has no answer to a question. He either ignores or says he is done talking about the topic for a while.

Then when he returns he restates the same things over, as if proven, while never addressing the prior questions that showed them not to be.

That is the current dance I am having with him on the bible and asking him to quote specifically where it says abortion is wrong and should not be done.

He quoted a bunch of passages that do not say what he suggests and seems to be offering his INTERPRETATION of them instead.

laggy I will ask again for you to please address my last question to you with specific answers and by highlighting the EXACT words that prohibit abortion?

The bible is abundantly clear in almost all areas with regards to what is prohibited and a sin almost always also calling for very specific punishments for transgressions. Surely, if abortion is the biblically prohibited 'sin' many suggest it is there should be some clear indication of that in the Bible, right?

I'm sure it would have been prohibited. But no one goes by the OT laws anymore.

In fact Christians aren't supposed to. We are in a new covenant and are supposed to rise above earthly concerns.

You can tell because the Christian West is where the Industrial Revolution occurred, as Jesus commanded.

Go forth and multiply your capital......and don't kill the cheap help.

I agree with you that I sometimes do this.

I already agreed that abortion is not specifically prohibited in Scripture. You even responded to the my link that said just that. The Bible also doesn't specifically condemn wire-fraud or violating copyright laws, but one could reasonably deduce from Scripture that God does not approve of those two things. And, yes, that is my interpretation.

I will re-post this:

https://www.gotquestions.org/abortion-Bible.html


The Bible never specifically addresses the issue of abortion. However, there are numerous teachings in Scripture that make it abundantly clear what God’s view of abortion is. Jeremiah 1:5 tells us that God knows us before He forms us in the womb. Psalm 139:13-16 speaks of God’s active role in our creation and formation in the womb. Exodus 21:22-25 prescribes the same penalty—death—for someone who causes the death of a baby in the womb as for someone who commits murder. This clearly indicates that God considers a baby in the womb to be just as much of a human being as a full-grown adult. For the Christian, abortion is not a matter of a woman’s right to choose. It is a matter of the life or death of a human being made in God’s image (Genesis 1:26-27; 9:6).



What does the Bible say about abortion? Simply put, abortion is murder. It is the killing of a human being who is created in the image of God.

The first argument that always arises against the Christian stance on abortion is “What about cases of rape and/or incest?” As horrible as it would be to become pregnant as a result of rape and/or incest, is the murder of a baby the answer? Two wrongs do not make a right. The child who is a result of rape/incest could be given in adoption to a loving family unable to have children on their own. Again, the baby is completely innocent and should not be punished for the evil acts of its father.

The second argument that usually arises against the Christian stance on abortion is “What about when the life of the mother is at risk?” Honestly, this is the most difficult question to answer on the issue of abortion. First, let’s remember that this situation is the reason behind less than one-tenth of one percent of the abortions done in the world today. Second, let’s remember that God is a God of miracles. He can preserve the life of a mother and her child despite all the medical odds being against it. Third, even in the one-tenth of one-percent of abortions that are done to save the life of the mother, in the vast majority of these cases, an early induced delivery of the baby or a C-section is what is necessary, not an abortion. This early inducement may result in the death of the baby, but it is extremely rare that a baby must be actively aborted in order to save the life of the mother. Some doctors say that abortion is never medically necessary to save the life of the mother. Ultimately, though, if the life of the mother is genuinely at risk, a decision like this can only be decided between a woman, her doctor, oftentimes the father of the child, and God. Any woman facing this extremely difficult situation should pray to the Lord for wisdom (James 1:5) as to what He would have her do.

Over 98 percent of the abortions performed today involve women who simply do not want to have the baby. Less than two percent of abortions are for the reasons of rape, incest, or the mother’s life is at risk. Even in these more difficult two percent of instances, abortion should never be the first option. The life of a human being in the womb is worth every effort to allow the child to be born.

For those who have had an abortion, remember that the sin of abortion is no less forgivable than any other sin. Through faith in Christ, all sins can be forgiven (John 3:16; Romans 8:1; Colossians 1:14). A woman who has had an abortion, a man who has encouraged an abortion—or even a doctor who has performed one—can all be forgiven by faith in Jesus Christ.

Many people think the Bible prohibits abortion. They think 'it must as its such a hotbed issue'.

But the fact is...

Which is why I am pushing laggy to tell me specifically what informs his view of this being a sin?


Most churches adopted the 'masturbation is sin', 'abortion is sin' because they wanted adherents. More numbers. And big families were the most stable and reliant members of churches so it was solely a pragmatic numbers drive mechanism spun as 'sin'.

See my post above. Thanks.

"Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property."

This is just involuntary servitude? Do you support this as written?

Ok so lets flesh that out.

You are admitting that the Bible does not speak to abortion specifically but you, Laggy, are able to read the Bible and INTERPRET what God means and speak for him to that effect.

Yes when you INTERPRET something and tell others that is what was meant by someone else (God) you are speaking for them.

Scripture speaks to us not assuming to 'know the mind of God' and for us to 'judge not lest we be judged', and yet you are doing both of those things in defiance.

And before you say you are not representing yourself as 'knowing the mind of God' it is impossible for you to state his intent, AS YOU DO, with your interpretation, without assuming to know his mind.

Further, why then push to be 'judge' of others by trying to impose laws on them that stop them and judge them? Why not leave that to God as he commands? Why defy God and insist on being judge?


I mean in areas where God's words in the bible (if you believe those to be his words) are clear as so many areas (in my prior post) are abundantly clear, I can see how you can say you have marching orders to try and follow God's words but where you admit you are INTERPRETING, and you then must accept another person can interpret it differently, why would you not then leave it to God to judge as he commands?

No need to take Laggy's word for it: just show up to Catholic Mass every Sunday. You will hear it constantly about how abortion is a sin.

While he is pretty good at evading tough questions and coming back as if he has answered them, it certainly does not make him an effective advocate for his position. His fallback move is calling everyone a liar when he steps in it.

just speaking to my prior experience with Laggy on such questions where I have posted versus where God commands the slaughter of every man, woman and child and all their pets and farm animals for some minor slight and laggy replied basically that 'it was not his position to judge' and 'yes if God commanded it and that person did it (killed all) it would not be a sin, because once God commands it, it cannot be sin nor wrong'.


This flies in the face, consistency wise, with him admitting there is no verse on abortion specifically and him using his interpretation to judge what is meant and push for punishment of the sinners in the form of punitive laws against abortion.

I actually don't care if someone is religious but I do care when they apply inconsistent logic to their position to rationalize one stance while denying another.

laggy do you agree that you do that?

Is that before or after they demand 10% of your income as an entrance fee to heaven so they can hold onto their Michelangelos and still pay off their sexual abuse claims?

I'm not here to out-wit professional trolls. I'm simply telling you what is being taught in the Catholic community in regards to abortion.

The Catholic Church isn't an Old Testament proof. They claim authority to speak for God Himself.

Is that where you heard that you can kill babies in blue states ?

I suspect Father is at the sacramental wine again......

Another witty troll which I will not attempt to out-wit.

Yeah, your limitations are pretty severe, joe6.

How am I trolling here ?

You said it was possible to drive to blue states and kill babies.

Now you're saying you learn about abortion from the RCC.


If I'm trolling by restating your points then you may want to reflect on your purpose here. And if it's to troll the libs maybe don't be a ***** and whine that others are trolling you.

Keep on trolling big guy. You have our undivided attention, troll.

You have nothing to say at this point and you still managed to repeat yourself.

If you have anything further to say, take it to PM with me. I'm not here to put on a show for your liberal troll fans, so I doubt that PM will ever come. I'm done. Troll.

This place is just the dumpster fire I expected, very nice.

Heres a non religious pro life argument.

Im a libertarian so I like the govt staying out of personal business. But also, the purpose of government, according to John Locke is to protect life, liberty, and property. Our Declaration of Independence says life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But regardless, protecting life is the government's #1 responsibility.

So then the question is what constitutes a life? Conception, fetal heartbeat, 1st 2nd or 3rd trimesters, birth, after graduating high school? Its a biology question at this point. I think its conception, especially as science advances. We will be able to develop embryos into babies pretty soon, its already incredible how premature a women can deliver today and not lose the baby (Look up NBA player JR Smith. A few years ago his wife delivered after 20 weeks. The baby was the size of his thumb nail and had to stay in the ICU for months to continue developing.) If "viability" is your standard for life, understand that we are getting closer and closer to an embryo being viable.

Eye of the beholder cannot be our standard of what constitutes life vs a bundle of cells.

And just think many of our ancestors thought there was a papist conspiracy trying to take over the country. Today they're telling us to go let the catholics tell you what's what

If this is your view then you should know that there's an easy way for men to prevent women from having abortions.

Stop f**king them.

Are you familiar with in vitro fertilization? It's conception done 'in a test tube'. Following your argument, should the government be protecting all sperm and eggs because you think they are medically viable, at least as science advances? Are you familiar with cloning? Do we need the government protecting all human cells because someday science will allow us to create a human from any of them?

Alternatively, get a vasectomy. They're even reversable.

Baby kangaroo. Our views of life our super placenta-centric. Marsupials would definitely take a different stance.