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09-03-2021 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Montrealcorp's true character has been revealed. Wishes death on people he disagrees with.
Contrary to you , I welcome those to follow up on their beliefs instead of imposing my beliefs on others by removing freedom of choices on their own bodies …
Ring a bell ?

But do I have to comprehend your in favour to mandate vaccination to all without exception ?
If you don’t , it would mean not wishing people to take vaccine , a murderer as well …

Last edited by Montrealcorp; 09-03-2021 at 01:11 AM.
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09-03-2021 , 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
Contrary to you , I welcome those to follow up on their beliefs instead of imposing my beliefs on others by removing freedom of choices on their own bodies …
Ring a bell ?

But do I have to comprehend your in favour to mandate vaccination to all without exception ?
If you don’t , it would mean not wishing people to take vaccine , a murderer as well …
Sorry, I'm not really comprehending the above word salad.

I don't have the energy right now to try to make sense of your posts.

If you write something comprehensible, I might respond.
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09-03-2021 , 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
From Gotquestions.org:

https://www.gotquestions.org/abortion-Bible.html


...Exodus 21:22-25 prescribes the same penalty—death—for someone who causes the death of a baby in the womb as for someone who commits murder. This clearly indicates that God considers a baby in the womb to be just as much of a human being as a full-grown adult...
Exodus 21 lays out the death penalty for murder along with the section mentioned here. But within Exodus 21 it also lays out rules for slavery. If you take this passage to indicate that God considers a fetus to be as human as a full grown adult, then you must take the same passage to indicate that God encourages slavery.

Do you support slavery? If not, why are you picking and choosing when to agree with God and when to disagree within the same passage?
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09-03-2021 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
Exodus 21 lays out the death penalty for murder along with the section mentioned here. But within Exodus 21 it also lays out rules for slavery. If you take this passage to indicate that God considers a fetus to be as human as a full grown adult, then you must take the same passage to indicate that God encourages slavery.

Do you support slavery? If not, why are you picking and choosing when to agree with God and when to disagree within the same passage?
It’s like the classic case of science , freedom or anything else being good as long it’s fit their ideology .
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09-03-2021 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Sorry, I'm not really comprehending the above word salad.

I don't have the energy right now to try to make sense of your posts.

If you write something comprehensible, I might respond.
Very simple .
If you are not for vaccines being obligatory, than your a murder as well ….
Since the end result is the same as mine …
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09-03-2021 , 07:49 PM

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1433873392315338768



https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/st...44465836433439
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09-03-2021 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
We have discussed this in RGT several times. We can discuss it again over there, if you want.
Yeah, and it goes to "It's fine with me if god kills every child and fetus on the planet. It's all just part of perfect love and I SUPPORT IT UNRESERVEDLY BECAUSE I'M A TRUE BELIEVER THAT HAS SACRIFICED ALL AGENCY AND MORALITY TO A SUPERSTITION." The morality of it is worse than our autocrat despot genocidal maniacs who often just pick one race to slaughter. With you, every race is okay. Why is it okay? Because it's in a story book of magic tales.

Afterwards we talk about things like the sanctity of life, especially embryos. God loves them, you know.
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09-04-2021 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
Exodus 21 lays out the death penalty for murder along with the section mentioned here. But within Exodus 21 it also lays out rules for slavery. If you take this passage to indicate that God considers a fetus to be as human as a full grown adult, then you must take the same passage to indicate that God encourages slavery.

Do you support slavery? If not, why are you picking and choosing when to agree with God and when to disagree within the same passage?
Im confused, why the f are u guys discussing 2k years old high fantasy book. How is it relevant. Like even Christians realize that they can't argue using bible, no? Murder is wrong, we dont need religion to know that
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I solved the abortion debate. its easy, we just give up sanctity of life. It's nonsense anyway. Im not even joking. Forces those nutjobs to argue for the sanctity of life and thats hard with 20 guns in the closet. Plus they are somewhat right if we actually assume that life is sacred, but the result is unacceptable.
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09-04-2021 , 01:13 PM
09-07-2021 , 02:21 PM
The strongest argument for abortion is and always has been the parents. Not "her choice". That's a bullshit copout. After 12 weeks there's a >95% chance you'll end up with a baby, so don't lean on the "it's just a clump of cells" nonsense. It's obviously extremely ****ed up that people would want to kill their baby; but given how we treat parental rights, it's even more ****ed up that we'd force that human being to live with a mother and/or father who wanted it dead in the first place. Society definitely loses if it has another mouth to feed without any parental support. The net level of human misery also increases.

Are fathers allowed to intervene if mom wants to abort but he doesn't? If not, then I feel like that's a more important detail to work out. Give the father custody after birth and mom can just pay child support and not be involved if that's her choice.
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09-07-2021 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
Very simple .
If you are not for vaccines being obligatory, than your a murder as well ….
Since the end result is the same as mine …
Huh??????????????????????????

Roughly half your posts make literally no sense whatsoever.
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09-07-2021 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
Yeah, and it goes to "It's fine with me if god kills every child and fetus on the planet. It's all just part of perfect love and I SUPPORT IT UNRESERVEDLY BECAUSE I'M A TRUE BELIEVER THAT HAS SACRIFICED ALL AGENCY AND MORALITY TO A SUPERSTITION." The morality of it is worse than our autocrat despot genocidal maniacs who often just pick one race to slaughter. With you, every race is okay. Why is it okay? Because it's in a story book of magic tales.

Afterwards we talk about things like the sanctity of life, especially embryos. God loves them, you know.
Huh??????????????????
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09-07-2021 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxCut

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1433873392315338768



https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/st...44465836433439
Not surprising that AOC and Greta are on the same page with respect to killing babies.

Having said that, I am glad that Greta's mom did not kill her daughter. I'm also glad that AOC was spared being killed by her mother.
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09-07-2021 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Huh??????????????????????????

Roughly half your posts make literally no sense whatsoever.
Just reread your 5-6 last post in this thread and you will get it .
And if u still do not get it , it’s pretty clear why you are all mix up by thinking you understand the meaning of the bible ….

It’s written in a such a way , you can derive almost every “logic” from it .
No wonder so many branch of Christianity exist claiming they have all the true meaning of the bible, even tho they differ in some cases by a lot .

Last edited by Montrealcorp; 09-07-2021 at 08:54 PM.
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09-08-2021 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Are fathers allowed to intervene if mom wants to abort but he doesn't? If not, then I feel like that's a more important detail to work out. Give the father custody after birth and mom can just pay child support and not be involved if that's her choice.
gotta love how nonchalant can men become when it comes to giving out months of someone else's life, just to carry an unwanted baby for another human.
I kind of suspect that you'd sing a different tune if someone asked you to give up 9 months of your life for someone else's benefit..

also, you didnt describe the strongest argument, you described an argument and that one argument ("it's cruel to force babies into families that didnt want them") should be enough. There are other arguments that should be enough too (like, you know, maybe government shouldn't force life changing decisions on citizens).
It's mind boggling to me that this is even a topic of conversation and that's coming from someone who accepts that life begins at conception/any other point is arbitrary.

Last edited by Krax; 09-08-2021 at 01:09 AM.
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09-08-2021 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Krax
gotta love how nonchalant can men become when it comes to giving out months of someone else's life, just to carry an unwanted baby for another human.
I kind of suspect that you'd sing a different tune if someone asked you to give up 9 months of your life for someone else's benefit..

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Like a lockdown for a certain crisis for the greater good
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09-08-2021 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Krax
gotta love how nonchalant can men become when it comes to giving out months of someone else's life, just to carry an unwanted baby for another human.
I kind of suspect that you'd sing a different tune if someone asked you to give up 9 months of your life for someone else's benefit.
If you didn’t want a baby, you shouldn’t have gotten pregnant. Don’t make the baby pay with his or her life simply because you were reckless. Your body, your choice huh? How about the choice of not recklessly having unprotected sex?

Nobody want to hear that. That would make you personally accountable for once in your pathetic lives.
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09-08-2021 , 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Not surprising that AOC and Greta are on the same page with respect to killing babies.

Having said that, I am glad that Greta's mom did not kill her daughter. I'm also glad that AOC was spared being killed by her mother.
Still playing the framing game because science, reasoned logic, and honesty get the control-women crowd nowhere in the debate.

Both of those mothers had the choice, by the way.
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09-08-2021 , 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by nick619
If you didn’t want a baby, you shouldn’t have gotten pregnant. Don’t make the baby pay with his or her life simply because you were reckless. Your body, your choice huh? How about the choice of not recklessly having unprotected sex?

Nobody want to hear that. That would make you personally accountable for once in your pathetic lives.
Personally accountable? If you wanted a child, you should have chosen a women that also wanted one.
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09-08-2021 , 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by MaxCut
Personally accountable? If you wanted a child, you should have chosen a women that also wanted one.
So now it’s the man’s fault that you chose to have unprotected sex and you got pregnant? LOL I swear you can’t make this stuff up. Too funny.

So much for the "my body my choice" argument. You just threw that out the window.
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09-08-2021 , 08:18 AM
Is this a trick question? Um... yes?
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09-08-2021 , 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by MaxCut
Is this a trick question? Um... yes?
Not for anyone with a fully functional brain. I won't make any assumptions on your brain functionality, though. The mods like to flaunt their ban stick around here.
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09-08-2021 , 08:39 AM
Man has unprotected sex with a woman assuming/knowing she is not doing it to have a child and will not carry an accidental pregnancy. I mean, why would anyone with a fully functional brain assume otherwise if they were not certain? Woman becomes pregnant. Supposedly non-pathetic and personally accountable man blames the woman for becoming pregnant and insists she carry it.

Your "it's-really-about-controlling-women" mask is slipping.
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09-08-2021 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by MaxCut
Man has unprotected sex with a woman assuming/knowing she is not doing it to have a child and will not carry an accidental pregnancy. I mean, why would anyone with a fully functional brain assume otherwise if they were not certain? Woman becomes pregnant. Supposedly non-pathetic and personally accountable man blames the woman for becoming pregnant and insists she carry it.

Your "it's-really-about-controlling-women" mask is slipping.
So it's 100% the man's fault that you got pregnant? The woman bears no accountability? Even though you claim it's "my body, my choice"? And the woman 100% makes the choice of whether to keep the baby or kill it? Still the man's fault, right?

Your "it's-really-about-woman-power-I-hate-men" mask is slipping.
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09-08-2021 , 08:53 AM
Btw MaxCut, there is a new documentary coming out that you're going to absolutely love. It's called "Impeachment: American Crime Story". It's about this woman who knowingly spread her legs for the President of the United States in the oval office. Story was exposed of their affair and she claimed the victim card her entire life to get rich. Then made this documentary to get more rich and more attention. Cool story, right?
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