I’m being somewhat facetious, but I’m also not convinced that vaccinating half the population is going to make this go away to the satisfaction of the teacher’s union and opposition parties.

This is the Canada forum on 2p2: if we can’t show the lurking Americans that we can have a civil discourse and admit to being wrong, how will we keep our smug sense of self worth? 🙂

Seems like the Americans manage it just fine.

Fair enough.

By September all adults *should* have had their chance at both shots, but perhaps not all kids, so I suppose that could lead to some interesting situations that you're alluding to. We've been able to keep schools open here all year, but not without lots, and lots, and lots of, um, feedback from teacher unions and a segment of the population that either directly supports them, or are generally in favour of stricter measures at pretty much every juncture of this pandemic.

The budgeting process will make things interesting. The province has presented their budget, and there is nothing extra slated for Covid in the education funding for next school year - they've basically said they'll monitor the situation, and if health measures are needed in September, they'll fund them at that time. It makes sense not to hire a bunch of people you may not need, so I don't take issue with it, but it will make for interesting times. School districts need to give notice to staff and plan ahead, so I expect most will be eliminating all the extra cleaning protocols, hybrid school staffing, etc. If we get to late summer and people are looking for all this extra stuff to be happening still in schools, there will be lots of complaining.

I wish I had your confidence that all adults who are able to get a shot will get one. I'd guess we can top the US' numbers of vaccination as a %'ge of population, but there'll still be a sizable portion who will just not get the shot.

Ah, I see what you mean now; half is so pessimistic I assumed you were suggesting enough vaccinations wouldn't be available by then. I actually don't know for sure what to expect, and certainly don't think everyone will get a shot, which is why I use language like "their chance at both shots". But I am hopeful that we will make it get past 80% of those who are eligible; I think anything less than 70% would be quite pathetic. If you meant half...yikes! I would hope (as I'm sure you do) that we're nowhere near that low.

It will not be less than 70% once supply is here properly. It will be in the end quite a larger percentage than the USA#1 as there are a lot more Trumpderp type humans there. Just not as many in Canada, and Trumpderp style humans represent a pretty big chunk of the "aint no government putting mind control Soros/Gates stuff in my arm" crowd.

I would not be surprised if in the USA#1 they do have an issue as essentially republicans do not take the vaccine in the numbers they should. If I had to pick a Canadian poster that will not take one from here, it would be that Shifty guy who loves Trump for instance. Just fits the demographic.

I bet you wanted to pick me but sadly I even got the blood clot one


I have to do it once in a while myself.

So on the Sexual Misconduct in the military more bombshell reporting from Mercedes and the West Block. Its hard to believe Justin Trudeau when he says he did not know of the allegations in 2018 when his own chief of staff was informed

https://globalnews.ca/national/program/the-west-block

His own (officially) father married a woman he met when she was 18 and he was nearly 50.

So we agree that Erin O'Tooles climate plan is weak

Though he promises to enact the toughest accountability and transparency laws yet

While Justin promised transparency yet never delivered and has two ethics violations and a possible third one coming and refuses to change the rules as he never likes to follow them

Not hard to believe at all. Likely the COS deliberately avoided telling the PM of a potential political issue so he could truthfully say he was unaware of the allegations. It happens quite often in government, and in business actually.

The idea of conservatives - who voiced zero opposition to the Harper Regime of complete and utter lockdown of information - being a leader on "transparency laws" is laughable. Remember the muzzling of scientists? Disgusting. Trudeau came in and made sweeping improvements to the better, both culturally and legislatively. It didn't go far enough, definitely. I've actually been an advocate of open government for quite a bit longer than most of these conservatives who are reactionarily putting "transparency" and their top election issue.

Its one of the reasons I did not like Harper and why I voted Trudeau was his commitment to transparency. Sadly it was one of many that were broken. Sadly Justin feels ethics do not apply to him

Alberta got a favorable ruling from the courts

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/federal-...tion-1.5404287

Harper government broke record on being opaque.

Closed twice parlements .
Only ministers could speak to media .
Free access of Information were the worst as well .
Any scientific views were discard.

It was a joke as a democracy for transparency.

"its all about believing in markets".

This is what Uke and his Ilk want for Canada.

Basically you are saying the following?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D_eAtU4_DA

By the way, what are your thoughts on taking a vaccine? Thanks!

All the best.

I presume then that you are ecstatic at the numerous ways that transparency has increased going from Harper to Trudeau, and are only disappointed that he did not go even further? But hold on hold on hold on, didn’t you say you were going to vote for the guys who supported the Harper agenda??? Surely you can’t take any claims about amorphous “transparency” even remotely seriously from them, right?

54 year old quebec woman dies from blood clot im her brain linked to astrazeneca shot

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ebec-1.6003957

Freak accident on the highway just west of toronto

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/dri...lice-1.5403689

You keep on saying I use to much whataboutisms yet you do it repeatedly with Harper.
Harper is gone I voted for him once the first time like Trudeau

Why would I vote for someone that you can not trust .
His latest on Abuse in the Military
First it was Myself and the folks around me did not know
Than The defense Minister well actually I did know
Than testimony comes out that his Chief of staff was informed
His reply than "We did not know it was a ME TOO complaint"

You can not tell me honestly you believe he is telling the truth. Than in the press conference he spout were the feminist party. Unless your a strong opinioned woman than you have no place in Trudeau's cabinet and sadly if your a woman in the military your screwed as well

Trudeau is on pace to rack up more debt than all the previous Prime Ministers before him at the pace he is going. Trudeau's policy throw money at it and hope it goes away.

Erin O'toole is not Harper.

This is so pathetic. You realize his #1 and #2, Katie Telford and Chrystia Freeland are EXACTLY strong opinioned women, not to mention the 50% of his cabinet that are women. And they are committed feminists to boot! There are meaningful feminist critiques of the Liberal government, but I hate when people use "feminism" as this empty token to try and attack the Liberals in the most ridiculous of ways.


It is odd that after all this time you haven't googled what a whataboutism is, because this was absolutely properly contextualized. The conservatives are running front and centre "transparency". You seem to have gobbled that up, and are all on board to vote for them. But it is hard to take seriously this claim that the ~*new*~ conservatives are really big believers on transparency when they were utterly silent, and remain utterly unrepentant, on a decade of opaqueness under Harper. Indeed, on a fairly long list now of specific details, Trudeau ended up being much BETTER at being transparent than Harper.

I'll give one salient example. You like to criticize the Liberals that there tremendous progress to ending the boiled water advisory crisis is going to miss its initial deadline. However, you are aware of this because of Liberal transparency, where you can go on their website and find the exact status in every single community with such an advisory in Canada. This kind of transparency is basically unimaginable under the Harper years. I'm an advocate for open government, so I have criticisms that this improvements didn't go far enough - just like how the improvements on feminism didn't go far enough from my feminist perspective - but it is pretty rich to expect the conservatives of all people with their histories to be the ones making meaningful progress on either of these files.



Say this, but of course don't bother to mention the pandemic at all and how this is the strategy being used by basically every other country.

As long as you tow the line and be willing to do whatever the boss says and what qualifications does Freeland have to be the finance minister?







Of course their is a pandemic but the amount he is spending is irresponsible and staggering in my opinion


Also you get why folks may not believe Trudeau about the Vance scandal?

Its hard to take seriously any faux-feminist critiques when you just whitewash away every woman who is working with him as just doing whatever the boss says. That they are not "qualified", "strong", or "opinionated". Honestly, it's just pathetic.

I just said Freeland was not qualified as finance minister. He has lots of women in portfolios that are doing great jobs. Freeland would be better served as PM

Heck I would be fine with every member is a woman but selecting them just because they are woman.....

Lets be honest 3 strong opinionated woman no longer work for him. Two were fired and one quit because she didnt want to be the token black CDN paraded at events