Wow, playbig is back in a big way! I'm not even going to bother responding to that post, as what more is there to say? Pretty much speaks for itself.

I suppose that's possible, but I suspect he's the real deal. But whether it's legit or a troll account, it's been one of the most extreme conspiracy theory accounts around here for at least a couple of years now, although he doesn't visit often. This one might be the furthest out there he's gone, though. If he's serious, I hope he's OK.

I think the cabal deleted a post.

But the satanic baby-pizza eaters left a post quoting that one, so they might not be as tricky as we thought.

Maui seems to be failure in support and the town had no water in the Fire system i saw in earlier reports ?? Folks are resigning as the blame game starts



https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/us/na...24998aad&ei=41

The town "having no water in the fire system" (not quite sure what you even mean by that) was Joe Biden's fault? Curious of that direct link in your mind to merit posting it here instead of in the In Other News thread. If there is a direct link to Joe Biden with regard to the local fire system, then you should make that clear as that would actually be a more significant election issue than Hunter, but do not worry - the 24/7 Hunter coverage will continue from your sources regardless.

All the best.

Be patient, Rupert Murdoch hasn’t fed the right with talking points about this yet.

Blame is inevitable, as most people, especially those that practice major religions, are into the blame/shame game. But it's pointless to do of course.

I go to Lahaina and Kaanapali A LOT. I owned a second home, which was a 30 acre farm on the Big Island for many years. I can tell you first hand that local people had been talking about the vulnerability to fire that the north west part of Maui for many years. But business owners, local residents, never really seemed to think it was totally possible. So on one hand, they were very aware of a potential issue, but I believe the thinking was akin to, "yeah, but it won't happen to us.".

Extremely sad, and can't believe people were swooping in next day offering to purchase people's burnt down properties. Gross.

In all seriousness the Maui tragedy looks like a giant failure of local govt, with no real link to Biden at all. It does seem the national MSM is soft playing the tragedy, but that doesn't seem to be connected to Biden at all.

What seems to be going on is that the Republicans were already trying to pass a bill to give Congress enhanced powers to investigate disasters**, which the Democrats have been able to deny so far, and the last thing the MSM wants to do is amplify this disaster to give Republicans leverage into passing legislation. I would also guess the local politicians are all Democrats, which is another factor why the MSM isn't really asking any of the obvious hard questions or holding them accountable, and why federal agencies dont seem very interested in getting involved at this point.

When the tragedy happened Biden was on a vacation on some beach on the East Coast (Delaware I assume) and didn't seem very interested in the Hawaii situation at all. Then he promptly went on another vacation in Utah at a Democrat donors mega mansion (the donor claims they made the Biden's pay market rate, so assuming this is actually true I guess this makes it ok?).

Honestly, I am not sure Biden has the cognitive capacity to even really grasp what happened, which is why his handlers are hiding him until they can devise a response strategy and get him on board with it.

**Edit: Actually, upon further research the proposed bill itself seems to be bipartisan at the House level, so I admit I am not sure why Democrats in the Senate and Executive oppose it.

That is what I find interesting in all your analysis .
In one instance biden is border line a medical case of unconscious and inapt person and should be in an hospital bed .
On the other side is the genius grandfather of one of the most prominent crime families in the US and control everything from the president seat …

I mean which was it cause he can’t be both simultaneously !

Genuine question to you. Do you even want the Republicans to win in 2024? I am starting to wonder if people with your beliefs actually enjoy it more when the evil Democrats are in power, because then the content you consume is much more satisfying and you get to create fun alternative realities about the evil power mongers (when they are Democrats). Just look at how many anti-Biden points you tried to sneak into this latest post of yours, and this was on a topic where he had no direct involvement. That has to be more fun for you than spending years having to justify the nonsense that Trump or the Republicans did when in office.

I wonder this because I remember one of the late night talk show hosts saying that while he despised Trump and his policies (during the 2020 election) he could not deny that Trump was great for his business, and I think one of the theories floating about then was that the evil MSM (always chuckle when people talk as if MSM is a spooky single minded entity) actually wanted Trump to win so they could keep the good times going monetarily. Like him or not, Trump is good for that business.

So, yes or no - do you even want the Republicans to win or are you happier when you get to be in the role you are now? I am starting to re-consider if you and others push messaging (Hunter, Biden is a crime lord etc.) that literally sabotages your candidates has an element of intention to it at this point.

This is the Biden thread.

Yep, this thread has nothing to do with the fire in Hawaii.

But but but.....the cabal...

Great.... if you know it was a failure, then you most know the reasons why. Please enlighten us.

As someone w/ family in local government, and has had family in state government, typically the decisions politicians make are a lot more nuanced and considered than the media or people understand. There are a lot of hard decisions that need to be made, and I'm talking ones like, what's better, 1 person to die, or 1k people to die kind of decisions. Nobody wants to make those, but they sometimes have to.

This is from a recent times article:
On Friday, Hawaii’s attorney general announced an investigation into the decision-making related to the Maui fires, including the choice to not sound the alarms. The Hawaii Emergency Management Agency spokesman confirmed last week that they were not activated and added that sirens alone—without additional information—would not have been enough information for residents to evacuate.


Maybe they made the wrong decisions, but I can guarantee you that a lot of scenarios and what if's were discussed, and they decided not to. I'll let you infer why that may be on your own.

Disaster relief is not a federal issue?

How a president responds to that disaster is not a Joe Biden issue

Funny it seemed to be under Trump

It is, and I'm confused on what else should be done at this point honestly. I know a lot of people who live there who are saying they are getting the help they need, but I've read tons of random reports that Maui residents are upset at the federal response, but I've never heard any specifics, like, they aren't getting food / water, shelter, etc... have you?

From CNN...
Hawaii Democratic Sen. Mazie Hirono praised Biden’s response, saying in a tweet this week that the president and his administration “have been incredibly helpful.”

“I’m glad to see so many on the right are so concerned about what’s happening in Hawaii though,” Hirono added. “I look forward to them supporting the robust federal funding our state will need.”

But White House aides have stressed that the president was regularly briefed on the situation over the course of that first day and had frequent calls with top officials, including Hawaii’s governor and Hawaii’s congressional delegation. FEMA leadership was also in touch with state and local officials as the fires ripped through Maui.

“As we were watching the fires that were starting, and we were issuing the Fire Management Assistance Grants, which is one of the first things we do with fires like this, our team that is already on the island immediately started to integrate in with the state staff,” FEMA Administrator Deanne Criswell told CNN.

“We started to see what the conditions were and, especially after my conversation with the lieutenant governor that I had on Wednesday when we really understood what the full impact potential was going to be, then we were able to start moving additional resources,” Criswell said, adding that FEMA already had a distribution center in the state.

But I guess Lenny is being overlooked:
https://nypost.com/2023/08/15/maui-r...-to-wildfires/

At this point in the election cycle against probably Donald Trump there is literally not a single thing Joe Biden could do wrong that he would receive criticism from from a Democratic congressperson or CNN (or for that matter most of the liberal posters in this forum). CNN and the Dem Senator of Hawaii saying he is reacting fine is 100% meaningless.

The point isn't whether a democratic senator would sing the praises of a democratic president. The point is whether there's any legit claims that the federal response wasn't good or adequate. The right in America loves to make a ton of false equivalencies, and they systematically do it whenever or wherever they can. It helps disguise their own malevolence, because both sides are equally corrupt, and equally inept, right?

I asked you a question... what evidence do you have that the response by FEMA isn't good? What was your response strategy instead of just offering counter evidence?

Because maybe you're right. I'm open to that being true. Government, as an extension of the people, makes mistakes. I think the most important things to sort out in these situations is whether there was incompetence, poor judgement, corruption? We want to avoid those things at all cost.

So equating things like how Trump handled Covid, or disaster relief in Puerto Rico, where the Trump administration tried to cover up why they blocked federal funding... trying to compare that to how a Biden administration handles the response to a TOWN burning down in a state almost 3k miles off our coast, is... I guess a comic tragedy of sorts. It's not like people who survived the fires in lahaina town can't travel a couple of miles up the road to a Costco and still get food or water. It's a disaster in Maui in that town, but the people in Puerto Rico had nothing. No water, food, shelter... nothing.

I said it looks like a failure of local govt. I didn't say anything about the FEMA response. Between the decision to stop fighting the fire, to the decision to send kids home from school, to the decision to ration water access, to the decision not to use the emergency system, to the decision to not make roads out of town more accessible; it honestly seems like a lot of small bad decisions that added up to a **** up of major proportions.

And based on how things are initially going in the aftermath, it is looking a lot like a govt coverup with the left wing MSM assisting. Although obviously it would be hard to argue Biden himself is covering up anything at this point, as he hasn't taken any role at all dealing with it so far.

Respectfully, you're spouting hyperbolic nonsense. It seems like you're reading for confirmation bias, and not to understand what's really going on. Can you provide some links to the things you said above? All of the things you mentioned, the ones I know of, were not easy or straight forward decisions. Access to water for example, was local government getting an OK from local farmers to use their water... you know, because they'd have to lose crops, and if the government just stepped in and took it, the Fox news headline instead would have been about what a big government overreach it was and now local farmers lost all their crops.

This "discussion" is pretty obviously going nowhere. If the local government fk'd up so bad, then hopefully locals find new representation that they believe would have responded better in their next election cycle. In the meantime, let's hope the people of Lahaina get the help they need.

Did you think that Biden should have gone there to put out the fires himself? We have already established that he spends his time at the beach working.

Trump got lambasted because he thought going to Puerto Rico and handing out paper towels was hurricane relief.

Working on the beach sure

I do believe federal money went to Puerto Rico

Yes the optics of throwing paper towels is bad saying No comment twice looks worse to me and offering $700 to each person as your trying to give another 25 billion to Ukraine isn’t a great optic either

There was a discussion a week or two ago right here where someone (maybe even you) posted an article about how Biden was on another vacation, but the photo of him on the beach showed that he was reading briefing papers. Do you think Trump ever did that on his vacations? My understanding is that he refused to read any briefing papers even when he was at the White House.

It amazes me how if I post a whataboutism it’s pointed out yet the lefties on Biden use the what about Trump what about trump .
Yup reading briefing papers on his bike multi talented president

Biden's "relief" is to give the househoulds who lost eveything in the fire a whopping $700 while he's sending tens of billions of dollars to Ukrane.

And the fire has everything to do with Biden because of the way he's handling it. A city was leveled and thousands were killed including more school children than anyone wants to admit, and when a reporter asked for his comments on the fire he said no comment and laughed. How can people think this administration has their best interest, whether you're a democrat or republican and no matter how much people hate Trump? They don't care if we live or if we die (they prefer the latter).

There's still a media/internet/phone blackout there, but there's a realtor on Maui who has a starlink satellite system in the back of his pickup truck and he's been reporting the truth of what's happening there via live video, such as the national guard sealing off the city with a barbed wire fence around it and they're guarding it 24/7 but with zero other military presence or any kind of aid or information. It's the locals from the other side of the island that are helping each other out.

There are a lot of question that "Biden" needs to answer like why did the police NOT let anyone out of the city by blocking all the roads that would have gotten them out? Why is there a fence around it with BARBED WIRE (all the budlings are leveled there's nothing left to steal) and why didn't they sound their alarm system. What the media is saying is a lie, according to all the locals there. They're not trained to "run up the mountain" if the sirens go off, it's not a tsunami warning it's an emergency warning. They're trained to listen to radio or TV for further instructions on the emergency. The locals are saying that's just a lie, and it would have saved thouseands.

Biden is visiting Maui today so hopefully some of these questions start to get answered. For the people denying this is all going on, look up Hawaii Real Estate on youtube, he's one of the only guys with internet there sharing live videos and reports. All he keeps saying is "I'm not a conspiracy theorist but look at this or look at that". It's horrible what's going on and how people can think Biden is actually looking out for our best interests while there's eveidence he's been paid off tens of millions of dollars by communists.

https://www.youtube.com/@hawaiirealestateorg/videos

Watch some of his recent videos before his channel gets deleted for "false information".