Just in case you aren't trolling (which honestly is hard to believe at this point).....

Stuff like "Generally, the folks opposing the niceness policy are terrible posters (imo) who wouldn't be missed if they left imo" isn't nice indicating the "niceness rule is arbitrary BS that will be decided on whatever you feel at any given moment and whoever you happen to like.

I think you see this and it's by design, so it's largely trolling. Other forums are run by troll mods and they are basically dead.

Yes. There are numerous posts on the front page now worse than the posts that got the forum shutdown. Tbf the admin that shutdown the forum was a heavy drinker and used that as an excuse/justifications for his decisions.

Shutting down the old forum was a good decision. The mods were awful and ideologically biased.

Shockingly, their new spin off forum has created another spin-off forum because people were happy with the open-sourced community style moderation style at spin off #1.

Ed- why don't you end the suspense and just post what you think you should be able to say/post that you can't now. Be specific so everyone will know what you are talking about.

The Old Forum was about 90% being nasty to other posters.

There was literally a thread in the Old Forum that had folks speculating on various ways they'd like to see President Trump die. (Including, but not limited to, him dying of A.I.D.S. or being assassinated). The Mods were all kewl with that kind of posting.

When you say open sourced community style moderation are you referring to having community members self enforce the site wide rules that everyone is expected to adhere to as part of the terms and conditions of using the site? Or are you saying that the site wide rules should not apply or be enforced, and instead users decide themselves what they consider acceptable or not?

They have some sort of rotating mod system where moderators serve 6 month terms, and there is a mod thread which logs mods actions. I don't know all of the details since I just lurk there sometimes but the end result is that a lot of acrimony has occured. Trolly would be able to provide more details but he wouldn't.

You've been asking this for some time, but for some unknown reason nobody seems to want to answer the question. Nothing's easier than being a critic. What movies did Siskel and/or Ebert ever produce?

At least book reviewers in major newspapers have usually written books themselves.

I may have misunderstood your earlier post. When you talk about the community modding, where you referring to how this forum was modded in the past, or a different forum on this site, or a forum on a different site?

Thanks

There is a post up right now that I reported saying that the sitting POTUS and his son would rape 12 year olds given the opportunity. Pretending the discussion now is somehow better than previous iterations is delusional.

What suspense? You’re the one claiming to have some secret sauce to make this place better than it was a couple months ago, not me. I’m only pointing out that you’re failing.

That is not at all what that post says.

I was referring to the spin-off forum. When this forum was shut down, the vast majority of the posters at that time left and created a new forum. It's basically been a Lord of the Flies experiment where now they've spun off again and there is a second spin-off because some people aren't happy with the original.

here it is again, woke ed. maybe it was a bad joke, maybe it was distasteful, maybe it contained some truth idk.

we need to cancel that right? an old article about saddam. we cant compare biden to saddam, right? impossible. thats pathetic, imo. no humor, no nothing, just a stick up the butt. imo.

maybe Im wrong, lets ask the mods.

I tried to compare presidents, alright? big deal. but thats a no no. the US predident cant be comppared to a middle eastern president. thats too much, cant be joked with.


USA USA USA! ed to the rescue.

Another dodge. So which is it? If I failed at making it better, then that means it's either the same as it was, or it's worse. If it's the same, then what is there to complain about? If it's worse, then give examples of what the new modding has prevented you from saying that makes the forum worse.

It's time for you to stop the trolling. Either contribute by detailing what the be nice rule has prevented you from posting that makes the forum worse, or stop the empty posts.

I respect your opinion. Having said that, I personally think he is succeeding. And I actually gave a concrete reason why: two posters who seem to find a way to muck up threads got temp-banned.

Your turn.

Washoe,
I don’t really care if that post stays up or not! I’m just objecting to mods and other posters pretending like standards are better now while simultaneously allowing nonsense like that. But I appreciate you being honest enough to admit that’s what you were actually saying. Unlike the lol mod.

standards are way better now btw, you just cant see that.
what you had before was a toxic mess of non content, verbal abuse and endless derials spiralling out of control.
I dont know what I did admit to. But if I did thanks I guess.

This!

Given who has been temp-banned recently, if nothing else the forum is better today than it was exactly a week ago.

Sorry I dont know who got temped banned and why so while it may be a concrete example I can’t really comment on it.

Do you agree saying only terrible posters don’t like the new modding and comparing The Bidens to documented child rapists while also saying “be nice” is one of the main guides to what is allowed might seen nonsensical and capricious?

It might have been borderline, I wasnt sure. I just let it stand.
I wanted to show you what I think of presidential abuse of power.
Maybe it was a bad example. my bad if it was..
just report it, or I guess you said something here.


was it really that bad?

I agree that one of the biggest problems now is that people aren't saying nice enough stuff about the Bidens.

Well, I guess you just shot yourself in the foot with that one. The wording you used in your original post about if the Bidens had been born in Baghdad we might see the following was so void of any logical connections that I treated the old post about as a stand alone. But now that you stated that you meant to compare them, as if the Bidens were possibly guilty of similar behavior (you just stated maybe it contained some truth idk ) , it clearly shows you were suggesting the Bidens could possibly be child molesters.

That's not acceptable in any form, whether you were making a bad attempt at a joke or not. . I'll be deleting the post. Also, this is a warning that you need to be much more careful in what you post.

I don't think this is a good response. You've added thousands of words in the guidelines, and probably tens of thousands of words in this thread, expanding or elaborating or doing something on the succinct Rule #1 from the forums. You made the choice to primarily focus on moderation-centric enforcement of civility as the thing you focus on as opposed to many other possible lenses (I noted previously how for instance sexism and homophobia aren't mentioned at all, with the briefest possible mention of racism as just one lens you don't really focus on). This isn't a claim that your lens is a good one or a bad one, but I think it isn't a good response to sort of act like you aren't adding your own piece.

I don't fully align with his posts, but I think ecriture d'adulte is probably correct that a bunch of enforced niceness isn't going to magically turn this forum around for new comers. I suspect it will mostly stay about the same. I suspect you are going to feel like you've really accomplished something at some point - especially given how toxically you have referred to the forum - but mostly I think it is largely the same. Except, of course, for this:

Temporarily getting rid of high action acrimonious posters like Cuepee is, well, a change. But I somewhat suspect it doesn't have the effect on new comers you might think it will.

I agree with you that the quoted Biden post should be deleted.

Cuepee and Trolly got temp-banned. I think that's a sign that clear bad-faith posting won't be tolerated.

I agree this Forum has a long way to go to get better and better. But, in my opinion, it is slowly getting better.

I wasn't being snarky when I said I respect your opinion, btw. You have been here a long time, and even though you and I almost always disagree, I think you post quality stuff. You're not a troll or bad-faith poster.