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06-02-2020 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
Pigs are setting up

They're not going to be f***ing around tonight.
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06-02-2020 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
how many people died in the hong kong protests?
Have you heard of Tiananmen square? How many people do you think died there?

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06-02-2020 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
dude got beat up at the end
Ya I pointed out prior how Trump issued what was a call out for MAGA people to join the protests. And he threw in that MAGA people love black people though.

He was too dumb to realize that in that statement he was admitting that his MAGA movement was to the exclusion of black people.

Anyway some groups of the MAGA people are arriving and coming prepared to show their love. Baseball bats and hatchets at the ready.





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06-02-2020 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
It wasn't meant as a recommendation. It's horrific. But all the people calling Trump a dictator and a fascist should be reminded how a real totalitarian state deals with this sort of stuff.
Well lets compare to the recent Tiananmen Square protests.

- legit protest over valid issues breaks out (Check)

- The Leader increasingly conflates Peaceful protesters with Rioters as he demonizes both in a way that de-focuses on the issue of WHY the protests starts and sets up the ability to of the gov't to treat protesters and rioters the same (Check)

- the gov't slowly increases the military presence and weaponizes the streets (Check)

- Leader calls for unleashing of military to dominate and crush protesters and rioters (Check)

- But so far the Governors have held fast and NOT ALLOWED the POTUS to institute his plan (OKAY we will give on that one. It is not like Tiananmen Square YET because the governors won't allow Trump to act)


I think I do see your point.
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06-02-2020 , 12:22 PM
I do enjoy the cognitive dissonance. Pretty much all of the cities that are allegedly "militarizing" are Democratic strongholds with Democratic leadership.

I mean if you think both parties are evil, then siding with protesters at this point is consistent at least.

But if you think the Democrats are still the good guys, you should probably be wondering what side you are on?
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06-02-2020 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
Maybe you will. You're already ignoring the fact people have been killed at these protests and other people have been beaten so severely they'll never function normally again. Not to mention you're ignoring buildings and cars being toched and people having their businesses detroyed. But pretend it was a window and pair of shoes if it makes you feel better.

The cop who killed Floyd should be in jail for life. The ones who let it happen belong in jail. With that said the people rioting and looting deserve to be arrested.
I'm pretty OK with ignoring property damage, tbh. Burned buildings can be repaired. Property owners have insurance.

But by limiting your criticism of the police to just the 4 cops in this one instance, you are completely whitewashing the abuses of the system that are pervasive. It is not 3 cops who let Floyd be killed at the hands of a coworker. It is all of them, I guess with the possible exception of the one who tried to stop an abusive coworker and was promptly fired.
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06-02-2020 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
I do enjoy the cognitive dissonance.
Detective Kelhus is on the case, sniffing out LIBERAL HYPOCRISY where there's zero to be found again. What is the cognitive dissonance here, exactly? "If Democrats are good, how come D mayors are cracking down on protests"?

I mean, yeah, if you find a liberal here who thinks Ds are always in the right and never do bad things you've really nailed them this time, lmao
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06-02-2020 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
I'm pretty OK with ignoring property damage, tbh. Burned buildings can be repaired. Property owners have insurance.

But by limiting your criticism of the police to just the 4 cops in this one instance, you are completely whitewashing the abuses of the system that are pervasive. It is not 3 cops who let Floyd be killed at the hands of a coworker. It is all of them, I guess with the possible exception of the one who tried to stop an abusive coworker and was promptly fired.
So at this point cops should stand down, protestors should be allowed to do their thing, and we should just be ok with any property damage that happens as a result?
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06-02-2020 , 12:35 PM
Annual reminder of these comments from former Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn. Pertinent part starts around 60 seconds.




Floyd should be alive, but don't focus so much on the outliers. Disrupt the unions so the rank and file can be purged of the bad apples and build a better police force from those who remain.

But as long as we keep a revolving door criminal justice system in place for the people doing the most harm to minority communities, people like me will continue to roll their eyes at the outrage over an edge case like George Floyd.
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06-02-2020 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
Nah. At this point "peaceful protestors" should be staying at home and protesting on the internet. By Day 7 of being effective cover for arsonists, looters, rioters and murderers we have to accept that any "peaceful" protestors are actually complicit with their role in the mayhem.
This!
Guess everybody has got the picture by now.
They are only instigating more looting and chaos.
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06-02-2020 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Detective Kelhus is on the case, sniffing out LIBERAL HYPOCRISY where there's zero to be found again. What is the cognitive dissonance here, exactly? "If Democrats are good, how come D mayors are cracking down on protests"?

I mean, yeah, if you find a liberal here who thinks Ds are always in the right and never do bad things you've really nailed them this time, lmao
So you think the Democrat politicians who are taking increasingly aggressive measures to put an end to this are in the wrong right now?
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06-02-2020 , 12:40 PM
Yes.
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06-02-2020 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
So at this point cops should stand down, protestors should be allowed to do their thing, and we should just be ok with any property damage that happens as a result?
If the governments don't like the property damage, they should try engaging with the protesters and effect the changes that are demonstrated to reduce police abuses.
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06-02-2020 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
But as long as we keep a revolving door criminal justice system in place for the people doing the most harm to minority communities, people like me will continue to roll their eyes at the outrage over an edge case like George Floyd.
"edge case"
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06-02-2020 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Disrupt the unions so the rank and file can be purged of the bad apples and build a better police force from those who remain.
By "disrupt the unions" you mean people like the Minneapolis Police union chief who blamed Obama for "handcuffing" police officers and thanked Trump for letting cops do their jobs again?

Does he sounds like one of the good ones or one of the bad ones iyo?
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06-02-2020 , 12:49 PM
Complete grunch. 1500 posts, egad. On the bright side, no JV.

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06-02-2020 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
If the governments don't like the property damage, they should try engaging with the protesters
Isn't there a law against negotiating with terrorists? Or a protocol or something? Sheesh, it's all going down the pan.
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06-02-2020 , 12:52 PM
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I'm pretty OK with ignoring property damage, tbh. Burned buildings can be repaired. Property owners have insurance.
Now you're advocating arson and possible murder, should someone happen to be killed in one of those "burning buildings". You truly are the gift which keeps on giving. Business owners don't share your sentiments.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...in-minneapolis


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06-02-2020 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
purged of the bad apples


White people saying "purge the bad apples" is like politicians talking about "tort reform", just some meaningless pablum they can throw out to pretend like they care about an issue for which they're never going to actually do ****. Inso0 here talks about the "criminal justice revolving door" of being too lenient on criminals while trying to pretend like he's down with firing officers that get too many force complaints? Hahahahahahahaha
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06-02-2020 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
I do enjoy the cognitive dissonance. Pretty much all of the cities that are allegedly "militarizing" are Democratic strongholds with Democratic leadership.

I mean if you think both parties are evil, then siding with protesters at this point is consistent at least.

But if you think the Democrats are still the good guys, you should probably be wondering what side you are on?
The idea that cities exist as completely separate things unconnected to/unaffected by any outside forces(state/fed level etc) or even local opposition/other local interests(like say the police putting on pressure to get the stuff) and that all bad things are solely the result of the local politicians is kinda silly. The situation is far more complex than that.

The feds have given cities/states a literal ****ton of that stuff. And the cops are more than happy to get/ask for it. But ya it's a fair question to wonder if there are any other agendas in play as far as who is getting more and what some of the reasons for that may be.
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06-02-2020 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
Business owners don't share your sentiments.
My family’s restaurant caught fire in the Minneapolis protests. Let it burn.
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06-02-2020 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
If the governments don't like the property damage, they should try engaging with the protesters and effect the changes that are demonstrated to reduce police abuses.
IMO this approach would cause so much property damage that cities would be absolutely destroyed and unusable. They would completely lose the ability to function at all.

The cynical part of me wonders if this is exactly what Trump wants. As long as the protests/damage is focused in heavily blue areas, he cynically is ok putting Democratic politicians in this impossible no-win position with his inflammatory rhetoric.
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06-02-2020 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
Pigs are setting up

It looks like they may be setting up to camp out for yogafest that starts in a couple weeks.

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Originally Posted by Victor
oh ya well maybe sharks are indeed racist.
#occupytheocean

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Originally Posted by MrWookie
I'm pretty OK with ignoring property damage, tbh. Burned buildings can be repaired. Property owners have insurance.

But by limiting your criticism of the police to just the 4 cops in this one instance, you are completely whitewashing the abuses of the system that are pervasive. It is not 3 cops who let Floyd be killed at the hands of a coworker. It is all of them, I guess with the possible exception of the one who tried to stop an abusive coworker and was promptly fired.
Wookie, stop pretending you are dumber than you really are. You know damn well just because most property owners have insurance doesn't mean only insurance companies are severely hurt. This hurts literally everyone outside of the looters.
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06-02-2020 , 12:55 PM
Reported to insurance company. SFO
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06-02-2020 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Wookie, stop pretending you are dumber than you really are. You know damn well just because most property owners have insurance doesn't mean only insurance companies are severely hurt. This hurts literally everyone outside of the looters.
No one gives a **** about your property.
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