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04-21-2021 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
And can we clean up this sh*t while we are at it!


Sentenced to 23 years after stealing two shirts, a New Orleans man just walked free
BY MATT SLEDGE | STAFF WRITER APR 19, 2021

Until this month, Frank was one of an untold number of people still imprisoned by a harsher era of criminal justice. But the 6th Ward native now has nearly three years of his life back, thanks to parallel projects from a non-profit law firm and the District Attorney’s Office to review and reverse old, unjust sentences.

At least six people from Orleans Parish serving life prison terms under the habitual offender statute have been freed so far during Jason Williams’ term, and prosecutors have filed a motion to remove the sentencing enhancement from another case, according to a review of state prison records. The District Attorney’s Office declined to give its own count.

Frank, 66, was freed early with the blessing of Williams’ office after a tough upbringing and a long journey through Louisiana’s prison system. He was one of seven boys and two girls who grew up in a family on Dumaine Street where “mom was the daddy and the mother,” Frank says. By the time of his arrest, he often stole store goods to support a heavy heroin habit.
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Frank has long maintained that he had no idea what he was getting himself into when he pleaded guilty to felony theft. He initially received a 2-year sentence, but former District Attorney Harry Connick Sr.’s office invoked the habitual offender law, raising his minimum sentence to 20 years, and Orleans Parish Criminal District Court Judge Sharon Hunter went further to give him 23 years in prison...
Have to remeber that the high profile cases are just the tiniest tip of the iceberg that is the disgusting usa 'justice' system.
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04-21-2021 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
To quote the best Onion headline ever - "nothing can be done about this, says only country in the world where this happens on a regular basis."

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Nah, we're on Par with Iran. We're fine.
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04-21-2021 , 03:03 PM
And as always a sh*tbag...



He conveniently misses that the KKK had a habit of marching in enmasse into CourtRooms or Police Stations heavily armed and outnumbering the officials (who often gave wink and nod permission) and dragging out the accused and hanging them while sharing bbq.

His strawmanning/misrepresenting what Water's said is disgraceful.
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04-21-2021 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Have to remeber that the high profile cases are just the tiniest tip of the iceberg that is the disgusting usa 'justice' system.
This. mostly I’m glad cuepee incidentally noticed this one case in his search for gifs. But I recall him arguing that I was dumb for wanting less criminal punishments against minor theft.
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04-21-2021 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
Yes. That's why Chauvin was guilty. He broke all the protocols regarding use of force.

Comparing that to a cop actually shooting to save someone from a knife thrust is funny.

It's as if you're acting like a stupid, old, uneducated Fox viewer to make us laugh.
There were protests over the shooting of Hakeem Littleton who was shot while attempting to murder a cop and Kopernick knelt over the Mario Brooks shooting. What makes you think there won't be protests over this shooting?

You also by your own rationale justify the Rayshard Brooks shooting as he was armed also.
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04-21-2021 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
. Maybe in Ireland you can throw a sausage at your average criminal and distract him long enough for the handcuffs,
Nah, our cops will shoot you too.

https://news.sky.com/story/george-nk...tests-12202499
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The family of a man believed to be the first black person shot dead by Irish police have called for calm and unity, but they've told Sky News they don't believe race was the main factor.

The family also said they've been subjected to racial abuse, which Irish police are investigating.

George Nkencho, 27, was shot dead by Gardai at his home in Clonee, west Dublin, on 30 December 2020, leading to two weeks of angry protests.On the day of his death, he had been involved in an incident at a Spar shop in nearby Hartstown, during which he assaulted an employee and produced a knife.

Unarmed Gardai responded, and followed Mr Nkencho from a distance as he walked home, refusing to drop the knife.

At the family home, he was confronted by the Armed Support Unit. Gardai say Tasers and pepper spray were deployed, but failed to restrain Mr Nkencho.

Smartphone footage appears to show Mr Nkencho lunge at armed Gardai, as at least five shots are heard.

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04-21-2021 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
To quote the best Onion headline ever - "nothing can be done about this, says only country in the world where this happens on a regular basis."

Maybe, and this is a crazy ****ing idea, but maybe, if you right wing nutjobs stopped lobbying for laws that let 8 year olds in remedial class stroll into Walmart and buy an AK47, then maybe, things on the streets might pipe down a little bit?

The Mexicans ship coke to the US in exchange for guns. Think about that.
I know you're trying to be cute here, but the problem is that too many people actually think that's what the risks are with gun violence in the US. Just like people think Chauvin is a common example of police officers in the US. Just like some Twitter dolt posted about how 1 in 3 people who are killed by a stranger are killed by a cop, as if that's some sort of huge statement on police violence.

A vast majority of gun violence is perpetrated using pistols. Chauvin is quite clearly a huge outlier, given the fact that US police manage to arrest and detain millions of people each year and only a couple dozen end up dead. Nearly all deaths by the hand of another person are committed by people known to the victim, so it's not a stretch to say that a significant chunk of those stranger deaths would be at the hands of law enforcement.

Of course, it's not as much fun to go on the internet and say, "Well ****, you don't see that every day" and the other guy says, "Sure don't" and then we all go back to whatever we were doing before.

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04-21-2021 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds

Comparing that to a cop actually shooting to save someone from a knife thrust is funny.
Save someone from a knife thrust’ was such a compelling piece of information that the White House omitted it. They must have been going for funny.

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04-21-2021 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
I know you're trying to be cute here, but the problem is that too many people actually think that's what the risks are with gun violence in the US. Just like people think Chauvin is a common example of police officers in the US. Just like some Twitter dolt posted about how 1 in 3 people who are killed by a stranger are killed by a cop, as if that's some sort of huge statement on police violence.

A vast majority of gun violence is perpetrated using pistols. Chauvin is quite clearly a huge outlier, given the fact that US police manage to arrest and detail millions of people each year and only a couple dozen end up dead. Nearly all deaths by the hand of another person are committed by people known to the victim, so it's not a stretch to say that a significant chunk of those stranger deaths would be at the hands of law enforcement.

Of course, it's not as much fun to go on the internet and say, "Well ****, you don't see that every day" and the other guy says, "Sure don't" and then we all go back to whatever we were doing before.
Lol Inso0, I was responding to your "swap a cop from Helsinki with Chicago" or whatever city you put thing, I wasn't even talking about Chauvin. Keep up, slow-poke.

I am guessing the point you were trying to make with that asinine suggestion is that the mean streets of America would just be too much to handle using the "softly softly" Finnish methods. So my question to you is, assuming that is true, why do you think that is? Are Americans just more prone to violence? Maybe a certain subset of Americans? Let it out, Inso0.
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04-21-2021 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
I am guessing the point you were trying to make with that asinine suggestion is that the mean streets of America would just be too much to handle using the "softly softly" Finnish methods. So my question to you is, assuming that is true, why do you think that is?
Cuz America is full of Gunz gunz gunz
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04-21-2021 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
Cuz America is full of Gunz gunz gunz
Literally what I said about a dozen posts ago.
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04-21-2021 , 03:37 PM
I know, my post was just an excuse to post a tribute to a film I like, which I make no apologies for
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04-21-2021 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
I know, my post was just an excuse to post a tribute to a film I like, which I make no apologies for
I do wonder why he chose Helsinki. I wonder what it is about Scandinavian countries specifically that drew that comparison. I guess we'll never know.
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04-21-2021 , 03:47 PM
I gotta say though, while I'm absolutely in favour of gun control I don't think it's a fix it all solution. Ireland has strict gun control for example but we were the gun murder capital of Europe in 2009, specifically my home city of Dublin.
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/du...5922-237669061

And as of 2019 our gun murder rate was apparently six times that of the UK.
https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/opi...15315-May2019/

So while again I'm very much in favour of gun control I don't think it's a magic wand solution and for America specifically may well be too late at this stage anyway
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04-21-2021 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
This. mostly I’m glad cuepee incidentally noticed this one case in his search for gifs. But I recall him arguing that I was dumb for wanting less criminal punishments against minor theft.
Remind us again what 'minor crimes' you were referring to?

As I'm certainly not against decriminalizing all minor crimes'.

I seem to recall us jostling over your view of Trump's minor crimes'and whether he should go to jail for them and you thinking he was just a celebrity, kind of like the Kardashians, and you liked him for that reason.
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04-21-2021 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by harkin
Save someone from a knife thrust’ was such a compelling piece of information that the White House omitted it. They must have been going for funny.

Lefties simply can't be f****** honest. They have to distort, omit, and sometimes outright lie about the stuff they are being righteously indignant about.
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04-21-2021 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
I gotta say though, while I'm absolutely in favour of gun control I don't think it's a fix it all solution. Ireland has strict gun control for example but we were the gun murder capital of Europe in 2009, specifically my home city of Dublin.
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/du...5922-237669061

And as of 2019 our gun murder rate was apparently six times that of the UK.
https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/opi...15315-May2019/

So while again I'm very much in favour of gun control I don't think it's a magic wand solution and for America specifically may well be too late at this stage anyway
Quite possibly, but to just gloss over it and pretend that it's not the primary reason why confrontations between police and civilians in America are more prone to end in violence than elsewhere (as some here like to do) is just disingenuous.
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04-21-2021 , 03:56 PM
There is no right and left ffs everyone sucks
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04-21-2021 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
There were protests over the shooting of Hakeem Littleton who was shot while attempting to murder a cop and Kopernick knelt over the Mario Brooks shooting. What makes you think there won't be protests over this shooting?

You also by your own rationale justify the Rayshard Brooks shooting as he was armed also.
There already are protests over this shooting.

But since they released the body cam and you can see the girl was shot while literally in the act of lunging to stab someone it's stupid to compare it to the Floyd murder.

But don't let that stop you. Please proceed.
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04-21-2021 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Are Americans just more prone to violence?
We're no Venezuela or South Africa, but we certainly have a lot of people who can't seem to behave themselves.

I don't think having a specific Armed Support Unit would work out well in many US cities, but maybe that's a nice stepping stone to a country without police shootings. I do wonder how many cops will volunteer to head out there unarmed, though. There's already a recruitment problem.


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I do wonder why he chose Helsinki. I wonder what it is about Scandinavian countries specifically that drew that comparison. I guess we'll never know.
Because it was the first Nordic city that popped in my head. People here LOVE comparing the US with that group of countries.
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04-21-2021 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Lefties simply can't be f****** honest. They have to distort, omit, and sometimes outright lie about the stuff they are being righteously indignant about.
You supported a guy who drew a hurricane on a map with a sharpie.
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04-21-2021 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
We're no Venezuela or South Africa, but we certainly have a lot of people who can't seem to behave themselves.

I don't think having a specific Armed Support Unit would work out well in many US cities, but maybe that's a nice stepping stone to a country without police shootings. I do wonder how many cops will volunteer to head out there unarmed, though. There's already a recruitment problem.
Are you being deliberately obtuse now?
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04-21-2021 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Lefties simply can't be f****** honest. They have to distort, omit, and sometimes outright lie about the stuff they are being righteously indignant about.
My opinion of course... but cmon, the current WH is pretty much central centralists.
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04-21-2021 , 03:59 PM
It's surprising to me they convicted the cop of 2nd degree murder in the GF case. Obviously not premeditated, but was he really intending to kill GF? He was using an accepted restraint method which points toward him doing his job as opposed to trying to kill someone. Plus, you would have to be incredibly dumb to kill someone in broad daylight in front of multiple witnesses with cameras. Was he willing to sacrifice his career and life to kill GF?
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04-21-2021 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by businessdude
Plus, you would have to be incredibly dumb
I think we got to the bottom of this mystery, detective.
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