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04-20-2021 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
the character that's inside your dumb head.
Yes, you've made yourself into a caricature.
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04-20-2021 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
Yes, you've made yourself into a caricature.
And you can't counter a damn thing I say other than with character attacks. You are a fool, bro.
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04-20-2021 , 09:33 PM
Ok, bro. What are you saying. Chauvin should have been found innocent?
I'm listening.
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04-20-2021 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
Ok, bro. What are you saying. Chauvin should have been found innocent?
I'm listening.
I'm not going to laugh at your ignorance. I'm just going to assume you're ignorant.

No matter what, he was never going to be found innocent, even if he was.
Spoiler:
you don't prove innocence in our criminal justice system, only guilt beyond a reasonable doubt


I never argued he was innocent.
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04-20-2021 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
You know what...

My honest opinion. People like you are the problem. You've bought the hype. It can't be sold unless people are there to buy it.

There is example after example of outright deceit being propagated when it comes to policing.

The response to that propaganda removes any chance of any effective of discussions of real solutions. You're more interested in talking about the problem, and characterizing the problem.

None of you care about one common denominator when it comes to these police use of force situations. None of you want to address it, and outright deny that it needs to be addressed. That's compliance with police. In almost all these cases that we've discussed, there is an element of resistance and alluding the police. Until you start understanding the need for that to be central to any reforms, you just aren't being serious, honest, or helpful.


You can paint me as the bad guy... but you're just looking for a scapegoat. That's what I think of people like you, Trolly, RF, Door, et al.


You're more concerned about my position on compliance than any of the five or six other things I listed that we could do. You're more interested in discussing my criticism Marxism and burning s*** down.

You or more interested in reading Robin DeAngelo then actually looking at the data and what it's telling you about these issues. You are more interested in the narratives.

Do you want to look at what's causing issues in the black community, it's not racism, it's not police brutality, it's the effects of poverty, and the Democratic establishment that doesn't value them at all, nor has really had any impact on that in any meaningful way for 50 or 60 years.

Black people who tell you differently are called an Uncle Tom, sell out and race traitor.
right, black people are in poverty but racism and policing has nothing to do with it.

you are an apologist for murderous thugs. perhaps you are just brainwashed by right wing media and blinded by your hate for anyone "left wing" or "liberal" or "democrat". that would be the most generous interpretation. 73 yr old women with dementia suffering multiple broken bones and bruises. medias fault. choking someone to death for 9 minutes with a knee? yep medias fault. a 13 yr old boy who actually complied? yep, you defend his murderer.

but its proly just that you get the warm and fuzzys for authority.

blaming the people who simply dont want to see people get hurt for little to no reason by state agents is just beyond comprehension tho.
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04-20-2021 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
right, black people are in poverty but racism and policing has nothing to do with it.

you are an apologist for murderous thugs. perhaps you are just brainwashed by right wing media and blinded by your hate for anyone "left wing" or "liberal" or "democrat". that would be the most generous interpretation. 73 yr old women with dementia suffering multiple broken bones and bruises. medias fault. choking someone to death for 9 minutes with a knee? yep medias fault. a 13 yr old boy who actually complied? yep, you defend his murderer.

but its proly just that you get the warm and fuzzys for authority.

blaming the people who simply dont want to see people get hurt for little to no reason by state agents is just beyond comprehension tho.
My life would be so much simpler if I had faith and became a drone to ideology.
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04-20-2021 , 11:12 PM
Come to Papa
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04-21-2021 , 01:03 AM


The video clearly shows the girl was literally trying to cut/stab another girl (i.e. in the act of attempted murder) in the head area when she was shot...

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04-21-2021 , 01:36 AM
So you’re just trying to frontrun a shooting that you feel would be justified from a tweet? You mention a video, but don’t even include a link? Just the tweet that supports what you think? What does this add to the conversation?
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04-21-2021 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
It doesn't appear it influenced the Floyd verdict, nor did it influence the officers who testified against Chauvin. Then again, who would deal with the witness intimidation that goes along with testifying for the defense of Chauvin?
"Oh, my ...!! says Dick Enberg.
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04-21-2021 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Doorbread
So you’re just trying to frontrun a shooting that you feel would be justified from a tweet? You mention a video, but don’t even include a link? Just the tweet that supports what you think? What does this add to the conversation?
The video doesn't seem to matter...

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04-21-2021 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas


The video clearly shows the girl was literally trying to cut/stab another girl (i.e. in the act of attempted murder) in the head area when she was shot...
Haven't watched much of it yet but I ask myself what would have happened in England where the cop wouldn't be armed? Would that girl have been stabbed to death? I guess it's possible but I lean towards that if you put this incident in the UK probably no one is dead.
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04-21-2021 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 5 south
Come to Papa
I want to get back to this weird stare/countenance that this guy shares with Scott Peterson (murderer of pregnant wife Laci in Cali, not the cop wife murderer in Chicago, that was Drew Peterson). It's not just flat effect and dissociation, not just brutal emotional represssion/"I'm a callous cro-magnon," not just holding oneself falsely, not just disingenuous, not just an empty shell of self-alienation. I think it is a combination of all that along with with consciousness of guilt of an unspeakable crime and nature ... all while being in a national media spotlight glare. This takes a relatively simple case of alienation to a different place. What's left is not only nobody home, "checked out of myself," false self and false affect raised to the highest power ... yet totally un-self-aware internally of this in keeping with the psychopathic organization. A mannequin so removed from his own motivation and experience that it's almost like a storm trooper in Star Wars, or an AI programmed is some certain way that has no grasp of how it fits in its environment. I used to study these characters a lot and didn't really know why. Now I do.

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04-21-2021 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
The video doesn't seem to matter...

You play fast and loose with your victim card

I'll preface this by saying that I've not watched the video. This is not in response to the video and this shooting.

I and I'm sure most people will acknowledge that a cops gun is not just for show. That's because most people don't think like you do. You saying "the video doesn't seem to matter" implies that people are as immalleable as you seem to be and shitting on their intelligence.

I acknowledge that in a country where guns out number people, a country whose gun crime per capita is ONLY in the company of second and third world countries is a necessary evil for those whose duties are "to protect and serve" and that sometimes the use of those guns is necessary to protect themselves / the people they are meant to serve.

That being said, that is not what this thread is about
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04-21-2021 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 5 south
Haven't watched much of it yet but I ask myself what would have happened in England where the cop wouldn't be armed? Would that girl have been stabbed to death? I guess it's possible but I lean towards that if you put this incident in the UK probably no one is dead.
I'm from Scotland and we have a lot of knife crime, especially in Glasgow, and from that video I don't see how this ends up with a death over here.

I just don't understand how US cops seem to be trained to take out there guns 1st and not use their tasers

Below are 2 videos showing how differently this would be dealt with in the UK. Can anyone in here honestly say that the US way is better?



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04-21-2021 , 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
Verdict is in. People taking further potshots at IHIV need to simmer down before we start boiling over.

He was wrong on a lot of this trial and has just said he respects and understands the verdict.

Let's be civil moving forward please.

Oh...and IHIV,,,, you can take more than 1 chill pill, right?
Reminder of this one, people.
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04-21-2021 , 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
You can characterize and attack motives. That's what the left does. It's a simple reality that in almost all of these use of force cases, the person resist, and/or doesn't comply with police officers. It stands the reason, you increase compliance, you will decrease use of force. You decrease the use of force, you decrease everything that goes with it.

You can focus on police training, police reform, but, police officers are human. They will still make mistakes, they will have lapses in judgment, they will still injure and kill people. Focusing entirely on police reform, which is what lefties do, it's only half the battle.

The need to attack and characterize my motives, calls into question your own motives in addressing this issue. It's indisputable that if you increase compliance, you will decrease "injustice" perpetrated by police.

That you attack anyone who talks about non-compliance, while believing black lives matter, it's just a contradictory position. I could go on about why you do this but, I don't really care about your motives, because you're rationale is flawed to begin with.

You can't dispute any of this, so you attack my motive.
I like HIV’s “If women don’t say no, you can reduce rapes” philosophy. Really gets to the heart of who he is.
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04-21-2021 , 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
Reminder of this one, people.
ya ihiv can take pot shots and blame the libs for chauvin kneeing Floyd to death but my gawd no one better criticize that snowflake while he defends murdering thugs.
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04-21-2021 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by J.E.C
I'm from Scotland and we have a lot of knife crime, especially in Glasgow, and from that video I don't see how this ends up with a death over here.

I just don't understand how US cops seem to be trained to take out there guns 1st and not use their tasers

Below are 2 videos showing how differently this would be dealt with in the UK. Can anyone in here honestly say that the US way is better?



These are a little bit different as they are lone suspects and the Ohio incident involves a (I hesitate to say innocent) bystander.
But up thread I posted a video of a man with a hammer and a kind of pick axe being followed by 10+ cops and they still managed to find a way to shoot him dead.
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04-21-2021 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
My life would be so much simpler if I had faith and became a drone to ideology.
When you mindlessly react to concepts such as 'lefty', 'Marxist' and non compliance to authority you ARE a drone to ideology.
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04-21-2021 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
You know what...



You can paint me as the bad guy... but you're just looking for a scapegoat. That's what I think of people like you, Trolly, RF, Door, et al.


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I don't think you know what a scapegoat is.

You're just a contrarian. At worst you're suffering from a bit of racism that you're unaware of or not willing to deal with. You are hardly the object of the sins of society. You're as much a victim as Chauvin and Floyd imo. Just another bozo on the bus.

But you have an absolute talent for drawing fire. Did you learn that in your military days ? lol
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04-21-2021 , 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
I think it was likely murder, but I also think there was reasonable doubt as to it being murder. The black and white thinkers of the group can't understand the nuance between those two positions.

Of course you don't know what I'm talking about as you're labeling my posts as "rants" and you have no interest in actually engaging with what I'm talking about but rather engage the character that's inside your dumb head.
So you don't think justice was served ?
If you were on the jury you would have hung it ?

Would you have found him guilty of anything ? Manslaughter ?
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04-21-2021 , 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
I do think the jury should have been sequestered in this trial. I just do not know how a jury member avoids the coverage.



Of manslaughter but there still will be riots
Juries are rarely sequestered. A non sequestered jury isn't a violation of due process.
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04-21-2021 , 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Doorbread
You play fast and loose with your victim card

I'll preface this by saying that I've not watched the video. This is not in response to the video and this shooting.

I and I'm sure most people will acknowledge that a cops gun is not just for show. That's because most people don't think like you do. You saying "the video doesn't seem to matter" implies that people are as immalleable as you seem to be and shitting on their intelligence.

I acknowledge that in a country where guns out number people, a country whose gun crime per capita is ONLY in the company of second and third world countries is a necessary evil for those whose duties are "to protect and serve" and that sometimes the use of those guns is necessary to protect themselves / the people they are meant to serve.

That being said, that is not what this thread is about
I posted a tweet (and there were more of those in that tweet thread) of prominent people mischaracterizing, and outright lying about this shooting... and the truth/video does not seem to matter to those folks. The repeated distortions that get perpetuated in the media about these shootings is dangerous, especially when looting and rioting has been a response.
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04-21-2021 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
I thought he did take the fif.
Spaceman was riffing on Chappele's show
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