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09-25-2020 , 11:52 AM

#7376

Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by grizy

The police is not obligated to knock, announce, and wait such a long time to give targets time to arm themselves or destroy evidence.

Maybe we need to make a policy decision to require more time. Maybe we need a policy decision to require use of armor/shield/loudspeaker right after entering to announce again. I don’t know. But such requirements don’t exist now.

These policy changes aren't going to come about through citizens meekly accepting that the cops have the legal authority to kick your door in with no warning and light you up if they think you might be reaching for something in the chaos. You're trying to get people to simmer down because the letter of the law says the cops can do all of this; I think it's more productive to focus on the fact that the entire system is broken to the core.

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09-25-2020 , 12:26 PM

#7377

GodgersWOAT

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

We see time after time when cops kill people their first actions are to protect their own at all costs, including fabricating reports whenever necessary to make it look like the killing was acceptable. We also have seen wanton indifference to the plight of people in police custody up to and beyond the point of their deaths. So, what is that? If that's sociopathy, it's sure as **** not rare in police departments. If it's not, then I don't really care what your name for it is, it's abhorrent and unacceptable in our police forces.

You’re describing what every violent criminal organization does: they protect their own, lie to do it, and **** the rest. Police, at their worst, are your typical drug gang.

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09-25-2020 , 12:33 PM

#7378

grizy

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Just because I accept the legal outcome, it doesn’t mean I accept the legal outcome is good or just for society or Breonna Taylor.

I am saying the change needs to come from the legislatures, from the ballot boxes.

There is a reason that ex post facto laws making past acts illegal are expressly banned by the constitution. It’s one of the most important bedrocks of the rule of law and, by extension, democratic societies.

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09-25-2020 , 01:09 PM

#7379

Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by grizy

I am saying the change needs to come from the legislatures, from the ballot boxes.

Nonsense. The police don't need new laws to change their policies. They could announce today that they will stop seeking no-knock warrants for petty drug crimes. The change comes from the public taking to the streets and refusing to accept injustice.

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09-25-2020 , 01:15 PM

#7380

tgiggity

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Originally Posted by GodgersWOAT

You’re describing what every violent criminal organization does: they protect their own, lie to do it, and **** the rest. Police, at their worst, are your typical drug gang.

*with legal immunity to do whatever they want

I love this new argument: the cops are only acting like any other violent criminal organization, what's the issue? Just incredible that's the defense now

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09-25-2020 , 01:27 PM

#7381

markksman

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

It's interesting. You have a grand jury made up of citizens deciding this. I wonder what particular law you would change to get a different results from the grand jury.

It’s amusing that US legal experts like HIV and Corpus Vile do not understand how a grand jury works.

The only reason the officers were not indicted is because the prosecutor did not want them indicted.

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09-25-2020 , 01:28 PM

#7382

grizy

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Sure, they could, and probably should do that. That doesn’t make the officers guilty of murder.

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09-25-2020 , 01:51 PM

#7383

corpus vile

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Except if the injustice is to small business owners that get looted, that'll get accepted in no time.

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09-25-2020 , 01:55 PM

#7384

corpus vile

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Originally Posted by markksman

I haven't commented on the grand jury, you're clearly obsessed with me. You also think a prosecutor is the be all and end all wrt indictments so you should probably stop commenting on legal matters.

Btw does anyone here have any empathy for HIV sufferers? I take it the answer is no, seeing as the virus which has affected many Hemophiliacs and their families as well as many others is being used as an insult, like it was used as an insult to attack gay people back in the 80s. Stay classy guys.

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09-25-2020 , 02:10 PM

#7385

markksman

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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble

Believe it or not, but the police don't just go busting down random doors in the middle of the night. They got a warrant to search her apartment, ergo there was evidence that she was involved in the drug trafficking ring. Why else were they there? Just for fun? What other motive would they have for doing the raid?

Lol

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09-25-2020 , 02:13 PM

#7386

markksman

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Originally Posted by lenC

Your crafty usage of the / symbol leaves the impression that the police have to either knock or identify themselves but they have to do both.

Yeah knocking is meaningless. If someone knocks on my door and then breaks in, guess who I am shooting?

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09-25-2020 , 02:28 PM

#7387

Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by corpus vile

Except if the injustice is to small business owners that get looted, that'll get accepted in no time.

Go ahead and organize a candleight vigil for shop windows that got smashed in, I'm sure plenty of people will join you.

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09-25-2020 , 04:40 PM

#7388

Max Cut

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Originally Posted by TeflonDawg

People have no imagination. What if there were six kids in that house, all over, because Taylor had a sleepover for one of those kids' birthday?

Anyone remember the vivid imaginings itshot had about Rayshard Brooks who was running on foot AWAY from the cops with a taser in his hand? To justify that murder he conjured up fantasies in this thread about Brooks possibly using it to murder innocent bystanders. (What if it was your kids!) Now all of a sudden that loose and wild imagination seems to have dried up completely when it would cast the police here in an even more damning light.

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09-25-2020 , 07:20 PM

#7389

GodgersWOAT

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Originally Posted by tgiggity

And yet, dozens of cops are facing charges for misconduct nationwide?

And yet, you don’t seem to care about criminal drug gangs (that don’t wear bodycams and have IA reviews).

This is curious. I’m sure you’ll explain yourself well.

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09-25-2020 , 07:21 PM

#7390

GodgersWOAT

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Originally Posted by markksman

And yet you types whine incessantly when OUT OF CONTROL PROSECUTORS charge cases against certain groups of folks.

Standard of reasonably likely to convict is the same no matter who the suspect is.

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09-25-2020 , 07:23 PM

#7391

GodgersWOAT

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Also, I love how this guy is just strapped and ready to send fire when people enter his house. Guess his gun wasn’t in a safe. Hmmmmmmmm

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09-25-2020 , 07:43 PM

#7392

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09-25-2020 , 07:43 PM

#7393

MrWookie

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Originally Posted by GodgersWOAT

Sorry, forgive my ignorance, but which members of these "criminal drug gangs" have been caught on camera killing someone and got away with it?

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09-25-2020 , 09:00 PM

#7394

electricladylnd

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Originally Posted by lenC

I'm not convinced they knocked because you can easily confuse the use of a battering ram for it("pounding on the door"). Against a strong door you're supposed to bang on the same spot repeatedly with a fast tempo. What did they use on the door and is there at toobz or something to see it in action?

It doesn't matter if they knocked or not, they had a no knock warrant, it was legal for them to bust in.

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09-25-2020 , 10:36 PM

#7395

LieutenantBroccoli

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Why don't the cops who conduct no knock raids (or at least the first several who enter the house first before it is secured) just wear more body protection that makes them invulnerable to bullets, like bullet-proof helmets and either plates of armor or a suit of armor (where the only vulnerabilities are on the back side) so that they don't have to spray bullets every time someone shoots at them in a no knock raid? It seems like a simple and cheap solution to the problem of being able to quickly secure a scene without putting both police and non-police lives in unnecessary danger.