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09-01-2020 , 02:05 AM
no matter, on to the next story!

feels like this is what journalists should get canceled for, but nah.
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09-01-2020 , 02:22 AM
He would if he was actually a journalist. But he's basically a citizen propagandist. He should definitely lose his blue checkmark for his endless firehose stream of deliberate misininformation.
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09-01-2020 , 02:26 AM
Doesn't the blue checkmark just mean that the account does belong to the real life person it claims to be?
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09-01-2020 , 02:29 AM
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Doesn't the blue checkmark just mean that the account does belong to the real life person it claims to be?
yes that's all it means and does not convey status
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09-01-2020 , 02:36 AM
Of course it conveys status. You have to have some level of fame in some arena to get one. You and I can't get a blue checkmark.

Tons of people are trying desperately to get a blue checkmark and they absolutely lose their **** if they lose theirs. It conveys some sense that the tweeter is legit and not just some random.
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09-01-2020 , 03:10 AM
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Have you ever been to a ghetto, at night?

Or, at all?
I have. I used to deliver pizza there in Los Angeles. I have spent significant time in both Dallas and Fort Worth too.

What do I win? I feel like I should win a bunch of prizes for being so awesome.


I hate to break it to you, but just because racists are all crapping their pants at the sight of black and brown people, the rest of us know they are real people, with real lives, real families and real concerns.

I am probably super safe in a “ghetto” as a tall blonde haired white guy, because the biggest criminal syndicate, the police, are unlikely to hassle me.
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09-01-2020 , 03:15 AM
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I was making the point that there are bad, bad people on both sides.

I wish you guys the best with your ideology. I’m comfortable with how I treat people and don’t feel the need to fit in by ignoring certain aspects of this movement.

Black kids do need education on dealing with the police.

Why was the advice I was given, shut up and comply, insufficient for my friend? The goal is survival in that situation. The police have guns. You don’t, or shouldn’t.
Yes the most important message to deliver when police are murdering citizens is “both sides”. You have cracked this nut. Congratulations.
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09-01-2020 , 03:25 AM
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https://www.motherjones.com/politics...nk-its-a-hoax/



Sublime this is you. Small-minded mentality. Fear of the unknown.
It is pretty amazing how terrified a lot of right wingers are of poorer neighborhoods. Have encountered many online like Sublime who seem to believe it is beyond comprehension that a white person would ever go to such places willingly.

I guess the fear mongering con game right wing politicians play works well. Seems their base is especially easy to scare.
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09-01-2020 , 03:32 AM
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Can’t police without chasing the stats!

It continues to bemuse me that people insist we would be worse off without a nationwide criminal syndicate that is above the law.

The trains ran on time I guess?
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09-01-2020 , 03:47 AM
LOL Andy Ngo, LOL Kelhus
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09-01-2020 , 08:15 AM
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I have. I used to deliver pizza there in Los Angeles. I have spent significant time in both Dallas and Fort Worth too.

What do I win? I feel like I should win a bunch of prizes for being so awesome.


I hate to break it to you, but just because racists are all crapping their pants at the sight of black and brown people, the rest of us know they are real people, with real lives, real families and real concerns.

I am probably super safe in a “ghetto” as a tall blonde haired white guy, because the biggest criminal syndicate, the police, are unlikely to hassle me.
police absolutely love to hassle white people in the ghetto. they know the main reason they are there.
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09-01-2020 , 09:01 AM
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More anecdote.

Do street gangs do similarly? It seems a human condition to do wrong sometimes.
"more anecdote" lmao, how many thousands of anecdotes do you need before it's not "just an isolated incident"

and now right-wingers are trying to defend cops by saying "but gangs do it too." Which puts on full display the fact that even right-wingers perceive the police as nothing more than a gang with qualified immunity

you can't make this **** up XD

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09-01-2020 , 09:13 AM
Inner city ghettos at night are certainly not the safest, but have you ever been to the backwoods in Mississippi during the day. It’s like the movie Deliverance.
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09-01-2020 , 09:58 AM
When the Kenosha riots first started, I set the line at 50:50 how many would be from out of town, and said I would definitely bet the under. And this was before we even knew a bunch of Antifa agitators from Portland had been arrested on their way into town.

The usual suspects in this forum did their moralizing outrage routine. And to no surprise (to myself at least) we got the following news yesterday:

"Of the 175 arrested during protests sparked by the police shooting of local dad Jacob Blake, a total of 105 were not from the city — coming instead from 44 different cities, police announced Sunday."
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09-01-2020 , 10:45 AM
Yeah, the police say that every single time. Doesn't mean it's true or relevant. Do you think that the people who got arrested are a representative, random sampling of the protest?
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09-01-2020 , 10:55 AM
I've heard Wisconsin has some 'different cities' other than Kenosha Definitely looked that way the times I've been there.
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09-01-2020 , 11:17 AM
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Yeah, the police say that every single time. Doesn't mean it's true or relevant. Do you think that the people who got arrested are a representative, random sampling of the protest?
Whether it is true or not, it appears this is a narrative the Dem govt/media establishment is starting to push. Other than Fox News et. al., I doubt most of the media would have even pushed this story 2 months ago.

On this note, the DC mayor gave out a presser of a "foreign" element causing problems in the recent DC protests. Again, I don't think this is something she says 2 months ago.

The emphasis on outside agitators seems to be strategic.
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09-01-2020 , 11:20 AM
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I've heard Wisconsin has some 'different cities' other than Kenosha Definitely looked that way the times I've been there.
Why even stop at the borders of Wisconsin? I mean if you really believe the protests/riots/looting/arson are a necessary airing of grievance to bring about systemic change, there should be nothing morally wrong with traveling to participate.

I originally brought it up a week or so ago because I was pushing back against a couple posters who were arguing the protests/riots were wholly local and organic.
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09-01-2020 , 11:24 AM
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Whether it is true or not, it appears this is a narrative the Dem govt/media establishment is starting to push. Other than Fox News et. al., I doubt most of the media would have even pushed this story 2 months ago.

On this note, the DC mayor gave out a presser of a "foreign" element causing problems in the recent DC protests. Again, I don't think this is something she says 2 months ago.

The emphasis on outside agitators seems to be strategic.
Blaming violence at protests on outside agitators as a means of delegitimizing the protests predates MLK. It's not some new development.
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09-01-2020 , 11:25 AM
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"Of the 175 arrested during protests sparked by the police shooting of local dad Jacob Blake, a total of 105 were not from the city — coming instead from 44 different cities, police announced Sunday."
It is crazy how the media phrases it as a "police shooting of a local dad". They purposely try to find one area that makes him look the most admirable(even though he may have been the world's shittiest Dad) and relatable to the naive audience that they are trying to push him onto as a victim of this heinous police act.
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09-01-2020 , 11:26 AM
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a couple posters who were arguing the protests/riots were wholly local and organic.
wow even need their RIOTS to be 100% organic and locally grown. what a bunch of clowns.

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09-01-2020 , 11:39 AM
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It is crazy how the media phrases it as a "police shooting of a local dad". They purposely try to find one area that makes him look the most admirable(even though he may have been the world's shittiest Dad) and relatable to the naive audience that they are trying to push him onto as a victim of this heinous police act.
that's crazy. what a shitty dad. the naive audience must learn how shitty he was.
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09-01-2020 , 11:41 AM
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Blaming violence at protests on outside agitators as a means of delegitimizing the protests predates MLK. It's not some new development.
How about you defend those making arguments against protestors, and stop rushing to defend rioters everytime criticism is levied at them?
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09-01-2020 , 11:42 AM
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Why even stop at the borders of Wisconsin? I mean if you really believe the protests/riots/looting/arson are a necessary airing of grievance to bring about systemic change, there should be nothing morally wrong with traveling to participate.

I originally brought it up a week or so ago because I was pushing back against a couple posters who were arguing the protests/riots were wholly local and organic.
All I was pointing out was just because ~half the people aren't from within the city limits(which are usually much smaller than the area a town actually covers anyway) and are from different cities doesn't nec. mean they're from all over the country descending on the place(which kinda implies something very different)--they could be from different towns in Wisco--which still counts as 'local' imo. And without more specific info--they could have family there/be from there but go to school in Madison or whatever etc lots of possibilities.
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09-01-2020 , 12:15 PM
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that's crazy. what a shitty dad. the naive audience must learn how shitty he was.
I don't know if he was a good or bad Dad and I feel for the kids having to see their father shot in front of them as I'm sure they probably had love for their Dad regardless of how he treated them.

I have kids and they mean the world to me and anyone that has kids probably knows that young kids will often look up to you like you are their super hero. It's terrible that they had to witness that happen to their father regardless of whether or not he caused the act.

My point was that the media just wants to portray him as some sort of victim in the most positive light possible and they don't need to add "local Dad" to their article. They could just as well add all the negatives to portray him in that light but they purposely try to put him in the most positive light possible to their audience.
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