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05-29-2020 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
It’s not that late. I just got back from having a pint at the pub, and now gonna turn on the tele and watch some recorded footie after I finish with the hooligans from the colonies.
Touche
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05-29-2020 , 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by daca
america cops seem so badly trained. there's the killing people but they also just seem very shitty at riot control


Don't know. This looks pretty professional
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05-29-2020 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl


Don't know. This looks pretty professional
yeah thats a good example. no formations/tactics/discipline/plan/control.

no riot gear either but i guess they have plenty of that stored somewhere
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05-29-2020 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
Did you actually see the video? The officer said get back, and no one took a single step back.
The police probably should have shot them when they didn’t step back. These Peace Officers can’t have the general population flaunting their disrespect in their face.

Maybe just shoot to injure, but that really depends on the weighting system. I need to check the cross tabs to see if not stepping back immediately when ordered by police is a lesser or greater offense than passing a potentially counterfeit $20 bill. If it is greater, headshot is probably cleanest outcome. If it is lesser it becomes a bit more complicated, as you have to make sure you beat the disrespect out of the victim but not kill them.
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05-29-2020 , 11:48 PM
Police shooting rubber bullets at a reporter and directly at the camera

https://www.tmz.com/2020/05/29/georg...-tv-by-police/
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05-30-2020 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by grando1.0
I'd put a lot of money at him being acquitted at 1:1
Really?
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05-30-2020 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
Has the M.E. released cause of death?

I don't know why you say acquital is impossible when cause of death isn't determined.
The guy is going to have the same lawyer in the same state that the officer who murdered Philando Castillo had. Sure the cases are not carbon copies, but the evidence in that guess didn’t justify police murder either, but it is what happened.

If a police officer is off duty, like Amber Guyger was, it is slightly easier to try and get a conviction. However it really took a seriously convoluted set of alleged facts by the defendant to get there.

However if an officer is in the line of duty and even being filmed it is extremely hard to convict them. Too many citizens hold an irrational view of police and will get stuck on “They are the police they must have had a reason to do what they did”. Even though through their trial they never proved that.

I already shake with trepidation about how much horse **** is going to be drug up to swap the blame, make excuses or paint the situation as an absolutely life and death free for all for the police.

I agree with the previous couple posters. Expecting a conviction is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

If a non police officer was recorded kneeling on another person, who was in handcuffs, for seven minutes until the life drained out of them, it would be a pretty quick trial. Short of any technicality, the conviction would be all but certain. However lawyers muddy up the water when defending police officers and try to use ingrained fear/respect for the police against the jury.

I am wondering how many police officers have plead guilty to murder charges. I am sure some have, at least as part of plea deals, but I have to guess the percentage of those cases where the defendant pleaded guilty is much lower than for the public at large. I am just speculating though.
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05-30-2020 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
anatta,

Love ya, buddy, but if 3 cops kneel on a guy and kill him, and 20 of them guard the neck kneeler's house, and 1000 don't do anything, you got 1023 bad cops.
This can’t be emphasized enough. There are certainly “good” cops but they have stood by forever and continued to let these things happen, without speaking up, without asking for change, without even just leaving.

Without the “good” officers covering the bad officers six’ they would not be able to get away with it. I hope the count of good officers significantly outnumbers bad officers, and if so they can push for change. Or they can stand by as silent co conspirators.

This particular officer participated in the murders of a Native American, a Hispanic and two blacks. I honestly thought that Minnesota had a very high Caucasian population. It is quite the odds defying feat to murder four people and not get one white one. The good officers tolerate and allow for the systemic racism and hate that flourishes in so many police stations.

Did a quick search and in 2012, Minnesota had the 12th highest non Hispanic Caucasian population at 83.2%. Seems a mighty high percentage to go four for four though, but I am not a math wizard or a mr. science.
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05-30-2020 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by despacito
Really?
Lol have you been alive for any amount of time?
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05-30-2020 , 12:26 AM
If only America had a leader who could speak to the pain people are feeling right now, perhaps even a person who had experienced that same pain himself, instead of talking about shooting people...

Ah well, what can you do
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05-30-2020 , 12:32 AM
These big groups have to make it easier for the virus to spike , right?

Last week at this time social distancing was the big thing.

Good cops are like good priests , right?
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05-30-2020 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Merry Christmas
These big groups have to make it easier for the virus to spike , right?

Last week at this time social distancing was the big thing.

Good cops are like good priests , right?
Yes, it will spike, but police cruelty isn't staying at home, either. Protesting police violence is at least more noble than whining about how more people should die so that you can get a hair cut.
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05-30-2020 , 12:51 AM
Never heard of 3rd degree murder before. Minnesota is one of only 3 states to have a 3rd degree murder charge.

"Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years."

Seems right imo. [x] causes death, [x] eminently dangerous, [x] depraved mind, [x] without regard for human life
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05-30-2020 , 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by daca
yeah thats a good example. no formations/tactics/discipline/plan/control.

no riot gear either but i guess they have plenty of that stored somewhere
I mean what is "correct" riot control? Are you looking for water hoses and tear gas? It's total chaos there - the cops here are probably just trying to get people to disperse and not form mobs.
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05-30-2020 , 02:11 AM
19 year old protester dead after shots fired into a crowd in detroit. Article doesnt say if it was police fire

https://news.sky.com/story/george-fl...olent-11997198
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05-30-2020 , 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
Rooting for the police right now is like rooting for the Egyptians in the Ten Commandments.

Learn ya some Bible people.
So you want the protesters to burn it all down?
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05-30-2020 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
Never heard of 3rd degree murder before. Minnesota is one of only 3 states to have a 3rd degree murder charge.

"Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years."

Seems right imo. [x] causes death, [x] eminently dangerous, [x] depraved mind, [x] without regard for human life
They'll never agree on the depraved mind part, it will end up guilty of manslaughter, with more riots.
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05-30-2020 , 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Escapologist
So you want the protesters to burn it all down?
Just the police. The police and the government have become an enemy of the American people. It's stupid to burn down innocent private businesses. I don't understand what these people have against CNN and all the other businesses that have suffered property damage.

The government is the enemy.
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05-30-2020 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
Just the police. The police and the government have become an enemy of the American people. It's stupid to burn down innocent private businesses. I don't understand what these people have against CNN and all the other businesses that have suffered property damage.

The government is the enemy.
I'm sorry you have to suffer the tyranny of living in the land of the free. Maybe try Greenland?
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05-30-2020 , 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Escapologist
I'm sorry you have to suffer the tyranny of living in the land of the free. Maybe try Greenland?
Dude just got murdered for a possibly fake 20 dollar bill buying groceries. How free do you think him and his family feel?
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05-30-2020 , 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Escapologist
I'm sorry you have to suffer the tyranny of living in the land of the free. Maybe try Greenland?
"land of the free" LOLOLOLOL
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05-30-2020 , 07:48 AM
The full report by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office is pending but so far has found "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

Floyd's underlying health conditions included coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The report says the underlying health conditions, combined with Chauvin's restraint and any possible intoxicants in Floyd's system, likely contributed to his death.



He may get off on the murder charge. They are going to have to add Federal Hate Crime and Civil Right charges here. He gets off, this will be Rodney King riots on a national stage.
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05-30-2020 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
thats ****ing cool
No it isn’t cool. People that live in those neighborhoods will be very negatively affected going forward.
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05-30-2020 , 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
The full report by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office is pending but so far has found "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

Floyd's underlying health conditions included coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The report says the underlying health conditions, combined with Chauvin's restraint and any possible intoxicants in Floyd's system, likely contributed to his death.



He may get off on the murder charge. They are going to have to add Federal Hate Crime and Civil Right charges here. He gets off, this will be Rodney King riots on a national stage.

Pretty good chance of a change of venue happening imo.
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05-30-2020 , 08:43 AM
Let's see an independent autopsy.
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