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Police tried to claim the guy who wound up underneath 2 officers in this video "pushed an officer off his bike" until this video came to light.

Policing is a safer job than truck driving

It is honestly surreal to see cops beat white people like I have this past couple weeks

And the result of that is seeing white people on facebook openly state that they've changed their minds about police brutality...

Because they're seeing white people get beat and they've always thought they were immune. smh

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06-08-2020 , 03:47 PM

#2627

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Originally Posted by Rococo

The intersection between social media and policing over the last twenty years has been fascinating. On the one hand, social media has fed the perception that bad policing is an escalating problem in the United States. I would be shocked if that were true. However big a problem disparate policing and inappropriate use of force is today, it very likely was worse twenty years. And it unquestionably was worse forty years ago.

On the other hand, social media has completely blown up the right-wing fantasy that there is not an ongoing problem that needs to be addressed.

This seems about right to me.

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06-08-2020 , 03:53 PM

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chezlaw

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It is right - I've been pointing it out for years. Not just social media but in particular cameras.

Also the paradox of progress seeming like going backwards because we measure much more of the problem.

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06-08-2020 , 04:06 PM

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Inso0

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The biggest factor in the outrage over Floyd is the fact that very few of those people holding signs have jobs to go to.

Way easier to stay up until 3am holding angsty signage and shouting "**** THE POLICE!" if you don't have to get up at 7.

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06-08-2020 , 04:08 PM

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chezlaw

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Originally Posted by Inso0

Not at all sure this is true. Many of us are not joining the protest because of Covid

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06-08-2020 , 04:08 PM

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Chauvin's bail upped to 1.25 million from $500,000. If he could raise the money, isn't he currently safer in protective custody at the jailhouse?

Some of you will be outraged that he was offered bail out all, but, despite the video evidence, he is innocent until a jury convicts him. Additionally, he is the most high profile defendant in the criminal justice system currently. There is no way he skips and doesn't show up for trial.

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06-08-2020 , 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Inso0

But if you disband NYPD, there's zero chance it ends well for anyone involved.

Think those "Purge" movies.

Reality: when the NYPD went on a half-strike in 2014 to show how much the city needed them, crime went down

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06-08-2020 , 04:09 PM

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Smudger2408

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

Not at all sure this is true. Many of us are not joining the protest because of Covid

I think the original post was kind of stupid. But, I believe the frustration over COVID and the anxiety and fear it is causing has added a level to the protests.

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06-08-2020 , 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Reality: when the NYPD went on a half-strike in 2014 to show how much the city needed them, crime went down

Arrests went down. That does not mean crime went down.

Additionally, that happened in December. Was there severe weather conditions mixed with the strike?

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06-08-2020 , 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Smudger2408

I think the original post was kind of stupid. But, I believe the frustration over COVID and the anxiety and fear it is causing has added a level to the protests.

It may have added a level among some but it's also removed a lot among others. In the UK at least, I don't think there's any serious doubt that the protests have been greatly diminished because of covid.

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06-08-2020 , 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Reality: when the NYPD went on a half-strike in 2014 to show how much the city needed them, crime went down

This is not a compelling way to measure the impact of police on crime rates.

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06-08-2020 , 04:19 PM

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I am not sure if this has been brought up but two of the cops were rookies with 4 days on the job. Based on police culture and the fact that one of them suggested turning him over on his stomach how can you convict these two of anything?

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06-08-2020 , 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TeflonDawg

I only barely know one police officer. He quit the force after some years claiming it was too stressful for his health. He also said many police officers, especially the young one's coming into the force, start to feel like they are owed respect by by public. That their authority puts them above everyone else.
In other words, like the old saying goes, power corrupts.
And don't forget. Many white protesters to them are like traitors to them and despised. Many of these cops have the is against them attitude. They aren't here to serve and protect. They are here to rule.
We need some kind of police reform for sure.

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06-08-2020 , 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lozen

In the countries best interest, I think there should be a plea deal that looks very harsh, but in reality, is not that extreme. I will go on record again, that Chauvin has a 15% chance to beat the murder rap. Civil Rights violations and hate crimes, added to it? Makes it less likely he is free.

The other three? Very good chance of being acquitted.

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06-08-2020 , 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Reality: when the NYPD went on a half-strike in 2014 to show how much the city needed them, crime went down

I'm sure crime went down just like behavior problems in MPS went down because the reported suspension numbers have decreased in the past few years.

If there are no cops manning the phones, there's nobody to report your stolen car to, and thus it didn't happen.

Easy. Society fixed. Please let me know where to pick up my Nobel Prize.

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06-08-2020 , 04:26 PM

#2641

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Originally Posted by Rococo

smart phones and social media.

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06-08-2020 , 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Inso0

This is the part I haven't figured out yet with this latest push.

If the Butler, WI police department gets disbanded, then oh well who cares. Fewer speeding tickets get handed out in their local bullshit 25mph zones and that one neighbor who is constantly calling the cops over the other neighbor's loud dog will I suppose have to start contacting their congresswoman instead.

But if you disband NYPD, there's zero chance it ends well for anyone involved.

According to this website, the crime rate in Butler, WI, is higher than the crime rate in NYC.

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime...Wisconsin.html

https://www.city-data.com/crime/crim...-New-York.html

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06-08-2020 , 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by adios

smart phones and social media.

Yes, they are of a piece.

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06-08-2020 , 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by adios

I'll just write this post off to you being high on the ganga. I'm cool with that.

You ever try scoring ganga during the middle of a lockdown? It's really hard...or so I've heard.

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06-08-2020 , 04:40 PM

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According to this website, the crime rate in Butler, WI, is higher than the crime rate in NYC.

Well ****, definitely don't send this to anyone in local government or they're going to hire even more cops to hide behind bushes on Hampton Ave and write tickets for 27 in a 25.

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06-08-2020 , 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by adios

I'll just write this post off to you being high on the ganga. I'm cool with that.

lol yes I apologize if that was incoherent and ranty. I'm fairly certain everything I said in true though

The Patriot Act was specifically meant to combat terrorism

Do you know what it's invoked for instead? Drug seizures

They use the law to do whatever they want. We should change the laws

In Texas, the police have been known to seize property, wrongfully, and there is no recourse. It's FUBAR

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06-08-2020 , 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Police tried to claim the guy who wound up underneath 2 officers in this video "pushed an officer off his bike" until this video came to light.

Policing is a safer job than truck driving

Just curious, are u getting paid to come up with all this pro left-anti right crap around the clock? I mean: nobody puts all that effort in for free right?

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06-08-2020 , 05:23 PM

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Victor

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Originally Posted by anatta

That's where i grew up. 70's-80's. VA is somehow a blue state now. Race always hanging over everything in the capital of the confederacy. Richmond now though is like an artsy, bike riding, mirco beer drinking, humid as hell in the summer, town. Still a lot of yeeee haaaw rednecks. (who can be the coolest dudes ever)

the most liberal **** ever is to think that just bc ppl are Democrats means they arent racist.

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06-08-2020 , 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by neverbeclever

Just curious, are u getting paid to come up with all this pro left-anti right crap around the clock? I mean: nobody puts all that effort in for free right?

What effort? I keep up with news and post interesting things, it's hardly a significant chunk of my time to do so. I suppose the fact you think it is explains why you're so uninformed.

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06-08-2020 , 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Smudger2408

last time i read the phrase “most high profile defendant in the criminal justice system currently”, he was found dead.

i kinda want this guy to have to go through a trial, get convicted and THEN be found dead. preferably more violently than being hung.

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