Long prison sentences have reduced crime. Or so I was told. It is hard from a criminal to commit a crime while in prison.

Is it worth the cost? I really don’t know.

We could try to just reduce recidivism, like Norway has. But private prisons don't get paid that way.

The Minneapolis city council seems sincere in their vow to end policing as we know it, and begin a new system of “community policing” (whatever that means exactly).

I am actually very ok with their willingness to follow their convictions. I would probably be more reticent if I was a business owner in that city, but I of course am not, and if that is what the people who do live there want, then so be it.

Oh, are we deleting references to calling black people animals now? That's an encouraging step, since as of a couple weeks ago WN didn't give two shits about that kind of racism

Kobe didn't rape anyone.

Lmao

I took a 20pt hit and severe warning...

its kinda sad bc ol matteo seemed to be making good points about this stuff getting coopted by grifters and power hungry politicians and corporations and political parties. but then he went full on kelhus with better vocabulary.

You were told wrong.


Again not true. All sorts of crimes happen in prison.

Also the recidivism rate soars with the type of 'hard time' the US practices. Not surprising that the only thing many can do when they get out is crime when they spend so long inside even for victimless crimes.


No.

Repent guys, repent!

https://youtu.be/F495IzPuvw0

Btw, what about the black guys stabbing the white kid in Carrigaline while meticulously filming it? Is that now common revenge for being a privileged white male? For those who haven’t seen it, I’ll strongly advise against looking it up! Maybe repent instead.

I should’ve quit the media and everything after seeing the sickening footage of George Floyd. Now I’m kneedeep in that issue and I can only see further divisiveness arising from it.

That says a lot more about the state of your culture then about my naivety.

The problem is, people now have the impression that this pattern of action, in reference to the burning, looting etc. (not to mention it's self-gratifying narcissistic nature) is a viable means to effect change. And not just in the U.S.
You can of course stick to your opinion but your immature view of democracy should find no place in modern society.

I was making a reference to the behaviour of the rioters (who are ethnically diverse to be sure) but granted I should've used a different wording. Rest assured that if I wouldn't be ignorant of certain historical slurs that have been prominent in your culture (and not in mine) I wouldn't have used it.

An example would be: Having the opinion that what happened isn't enough evidence to propose that the U.S. is systemically oppressing minority groups. That there are cultural problems (you can read Dalrymple's: Life at the Bottom) that weigh way more heavily when it comes to the lack of social mobility that the black community is experiencing.
The opinion that this is fundamentally not about race but about class.
Even though racial injustice clearly exists (just to be perfectly pc about this).

oh well that changes everything

The people who fought for civil rights in the 1960s had an immature view of democracy? Guess we should have waited around and hashed out "rights for black people" like serious adults do: by talking.

Don't play dumb. You know exactly what I meant.

Welcome to the forum.

No, I really don't, you write in an extremely vague and indirect way. Say what the **** you mean.

Since I suggested that sometimes action is needed to make things change, and you're like "well that's a childish view of democracy", I don't know what you want me to think about your views of past protests that have led to what most people agree is positive change. Seems like those views wouldn't be good!

That guy sounds Australian?
The link Nutella posted said North Carolina. Am I hearing things?

This is a srawman. Literally no one thinks that the murder of George Floyd is proof on its own of systemic racism. Instead, it's just the latest outrage in a system of countless examples that make the systemic racism obvious to anyone who looks.

Oh, right, have we considered the idea that black people are just inferior, and that's why they have a lower social station?

I mean, sure, some people are deeply stupid and uninformed, and some are not Americans who haven't looked at this stuff, but anyone who knows two things about American history knows that it's always about race. If someone does seem to know something and is pushing back against the idea that it's race (as opposed to being receptive to new knowledge), then they're always just trying to hide racism.

ahh I remember the "from court to court" days.

You should be aware that goofy is only here to dunk on people. Treat his posts how you want but that's all you're going to get back.

There is a huge gap between just talking and violence & looting. The protesters are overwhelmingly in that gap. Clearly just talking isn't going to do it but that in now way implies we should support violence.


There may be a semantic point here. Minority groups are clearly systematically oppressed. Whether there some organised willful & deliberate systematic oppression of them is more arguable.

That's not being PC. It's just acknowledging an obvious truth.

It's always amusing that chezlaw is significantly more offended by people whose political beliefs are closer to his choosing to "dunk on people" than he is by dumb right-wing trolls who lie endlessly, because at least the latter make him feel that itch of "balance"

The civil rights movement lasted 14 years, was highly organized, lead by charismatic individuals (not collectivists) who were actually genuine, based on advancing civil rights specifically through nonviolence.

What we have now is just chaos.
I didn't say I was against taking action.
I'm against ideologues who are maskerading (literally) as compassionate activists when the change that they really long for is merely a rearrangement of the social hierarchy in which they would be the powerful.

I saw videos where protesters are asking others to kneel with them in solidarity, and when they do it's seen as a sign of submission and they delight in their newfound power. It's quite sickening.

I gave an example but sure, I missed the context there.
Anyhow I don't see a world of difference in pointing to one incident or pointing to twelve (as it pales in comparison to the number of all Human/police interaction).
The line of reasoning that follows the argument of utterly incompetent law enforcement by way of too low standards in hiring for example, seems to be more convincing.
I might be wrong though which is why I am trying to have a discussion in the first place.

As an example, In the book that I have mentioned the author is talking about white Englishman who occupy the underclass as a result of their fatalistic world view, a social determinism that may or may not be fed by the welfare state.
Again, I might be wrong but I see similarities here.

Well, you reap what you sow.

You do not offend me goofy. I don't even doubt you think you are doing something good.

I do think new posters should be aware that you are just here to dunk before they waste too much time finding out for themselves.