Why do people think that Sweden/Finland have put restrictions on giving these drugs to children?

I haven't read the Emily Bazelon piece as it's behind a paywall-- but I'm assuming she is raising some of the same points that regulators in those countries raised. Do the letter writers just assume that those countries are run by a bunch of bigots?

He never said "the blacks". That's a really crappy and disingenuous way to try to mischaracterize his posts.

Well, that is largely up to the trans voices to share what they find most important to them. But if it was me as a cis person, I'd focus near the top of the list on mental health. But not just negatively, showing empowerment and accomplishment and overcoming and the like. Regardless, diversity of trans voices is more important than any particular subject.

I knew I used it somewhere

I think technically it's used that way as a mass noun?-- or a collective noun actually, different from plural so perhaps you're right still

"Language Policing is the last refuge for someone without an argument."

Having said that, I don't think that Uke intentionally mischaracterized LB's post. That tactic is not part of Uke's playbook imo.

What could go wrong here?

Why are you disappointed in them? Are you just taking the letter (which you probably never read anyways) at face value and assuming it is a correct representation of the NYT coverage on this topic?

Or have you yourself read a plethora of NYT pieces on this topic and come to the conclusion they have acted inappropriately?

I would guess if you honestly researched this yourself and looked at NYT coverage over the past few months, you would find it is a lot more balanced than the letter implies.

I find it very interesting this piece is coming out right on the heels of the extremely damning whistleblower report on the horrible, unethical abuse on children from the transitioning clinic she worked out. It seems the far left is sending a message to the NYT not to do any reporting on this story, regardless of what is there, and instead work to kill it by linking it to the "far right."

I do find it amusing that among the left wing journalistic community, they find their main job not to report news, but to suppress it. Which is why they are increasingly becoming irrelevant to the majority of the population. At this point, if a large group of NYT "journalists" wrote an open letter demanding a topic be suppressed, this would actually be a signal to me there is a major story there, which is why there is so much desperation to suppress it.

Based on this letter, I would now assume that the child abuse going on in transition clinics is even worse than imagined, which is why activists are so desperate to cover up.

Where are the sample articles of the NYT being biased? I can't imagine that they were.

I assume you are talking about the St Louis Childrens Hospital?

https://nypost.com/2023/02/10/st-lou...ming-children/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...h-graders.html

never mind, I found it in the op letter.

I couldn't even scroll through all the names that backed this letter it's that many.

it seems to me this letter is fake.
and by fake I mean manipulated.

Ok. Since the use of various terms to describe transgender people keeps coming up in various discussions, and then derails the actual topic for a time, I created a thread where we can sort all that out and have a reference point. So I moved the posts about terminology there.

I also deleted some posts about John Money. They are completely off topic. I know it will take a while for some to get used to the concept of not having a catch all transgender issues thread. But damn. You can't just pull the word "gender" out a sentence and then think that going from gender to naming the guy to first use the term to posting about controversies about his work is still somehow on the topic of the New York Times.

This thread is about the coverage of transgender issues by the NYT and concerns employees have with that coverage.

My bad, I didn't know where to put this.

This John Money was quite a character. And Im not sure if he was the one that brought us the concept of genders. Some people seem to think that he was the one that was responsible for the ball to get rolling.

So if it wasn't for him, no discussion about NYT articles or gender clinic whistleblower... maybe. I'm not sure, just wanted to ask this.

My flight leaves in a couple hours, I literally have to go

So I just wanted to say I think this is horrible to publish on the day after the letter and several days after the brutal murder of Brianna Ghey.



Peace.

I am not sure how this article has any relevance on the murder of Brianna Ghey. Its a very good article

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/16/o...ansphobia.html

We still do not know if she was killed because she was trans gender? It does seem overall we are seeing more teen violence across the board which is troubling

Everything!!!

Yet another dumpster fire in the making.

I may be mistaken, but the point of the letter seemed to be about news coverage, yes? Your quote above seems to be about having columnists.

This is rather silly. It is completely organic that discussions of language come up regularly because people use language to describe trans people when talking about any number of other issues. That is, a discussion about appropriate usage likely doesn't come up with somebody going to some other thread specifically focused on language, it emerges completely naturally. None of them need to be particularly long, but they don't really make sense in their own dedicated thread.

Also worth noting the clear double-standard. In no other thread that I'm aware of are you excising micro-exchanges of 10 posts into their own threads.

The same is true on both sides of the newsroom and the editorial desk (and also in the letter, NYT magazine). Basically, the frame for what trans issues are covered shouldn't be the bothsidesism of the republican agenda against trans people.

One wonders why questioning things such as puberty blockers and hormones for kids is part of the Republican agenda against trans people when European countries where the issue isn't as politicized are doing the same thing?

Disappointing. JK Rowling's persistent attacks on trans people have been so heartbreaking for what was a once beloved author for a big chunk of a generation of people. Her platform to spew this filth is already large enough as it is without the NYT jumping in to defend it - the day after this letter - is disappointing for sure.

I'm not super aware of the politics in European countries on this issue, so I can't really comment. What I'm pretty comfortable saying in US politics is that whatever one thinks about the medical evidence of hormone therapy for trans kids, the primary push in the US is coming from political factors where republican politicians are trying to outdo each other on the most restrictive legislation against trans people in schools and health care and sports etc they can get. DeSantis is probably winning.

She hasn't attacked any trans people . She is allowed to defend women's rights and children's rights and has the right to opinion.

Nothing she has said is Trans Phobic and this opinion piece seems accurate but its an opinion piece just like your opinion

Well, the brutal murder of this trans girl is absolutely shocking to the trans community, regardless of whether her murder was specifically because of being trans or not. Regardless, it prompts some reflection on the state of being a trans teenager and "defending JK Rowling" in this specific moment might not be ideally timed.

You didn't quote the lines people find transphobic. You quoted the lines she says trying to defend against such accusations.

Also FYI it isn't "Trans Phobic" it is just "transphobic". One word. No capitalized. Just like zenophobic or whatever else. Hopefully this quick note is still allowed here, but if you feel you need to follow up I guess do so over in Browser's special thread for such things?