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05-26-2025 , 02:42 AM

#14001

jalfrezi

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Originally Posted by geezerchess

The point is that if Evolutionism is true, then it is utterly irrelevant what you care about since Evolution is gonna do it's thing either way.

The death of the old and the infirm is just part of the process.

One of Nietsche's critiques of Christianity was that it severly slowed man's evolution toward the Uberman. He thought that time, talent, treasure and resources on the old and infirm was crippling human progress.

"Man must be overcome; what have you done to overcome him?" (from Thus Spoke Zarathustra)

If you must cite mad Freddy at least spell his name correctly.

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05-26-2025 , 02:48 AM

#14002

jalfrezi

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Originally Posted by geezerchess

Thanks for reminding me of the quote.

There is certainly no actual or even implied denunciation of medicine in that quote.

In fact, medicine can help the smart folks live longer and the strong folks get stronger or stay stronger for longer.

"Survival of the Fittest Baby!"

That’s not what Darwin meant by “fittest”.

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05-26-2025 , 02:50 AM

#14003

geezerchess

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

If you must cite mad Freddy at least spell his name correctly.

Nietzsche!!!

Hope you're happy now, jalfreeze!

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05-26-2025 , 02:53 AM

#14004

geezerchess

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

That’s not what Darwin meant by “fittest”.

Did Darwin even use the phrase "survival of the fittest?"

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05-26-2025 , 02:58 AM

#14005

jalfrezi

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Yes, in the fifth edition of On The Origin Of Species.

He wasn’t describing insects going to the gym.

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05-26-2025 , 03:04 AM

#14006

geezerchess

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

Yes, in the fifth edition of On The Origin Of Species.

He wasn’t describing insects going to the gym.

Over 30 years ago I wrote a paper (which was never published) called, "Origin of the Specious." In it, I discussed the origin of Evolutionism and how it predated Darwin by over 2,000 years.

Last edited by geezerchess; 05-26-2025 at 03:05 AM. Reason: grammar

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05-26-2025 , 03:09 AM

#14007

jalfrezi

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Darwin didn’t invent evolution dude, he discovered it.

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05-26-2025 , 03:13 AM

#14008

geezerchess

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

Darwin didn’t invent evolution dude, he discovered it.

I never said Darwin invented evolution, dude.

He also didn't discover evolution, dude.

Evolutionism dates back to ancient Greek philosophy, dude.

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05-26-2025 , 03:15 AM

#14009

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Fun Factoid:

Charles Darwin's college degree was in Theology.

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05-26-2025 , 08:34 AM

#14010

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Originally Posted by geezerchess

Natural Selection is real.

But even within natural selection, cats have kittens and dogs have puppies.

What is also real is that we are made in the Image of God, which gives us a moral compass.

So obviously you don't think it's fine for people to die of COVID even thought you accept that natural selection is real. Obviously that kind of misanthropy is a non-sequitur.

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05-26-2025 , 11:09 AM

#14011

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

I didn't deliberately give COVID to anyone.

I hate this kind of thinking (not only on this topic but overall). It's not enough to not "mean to" do something. Most of the time there are things you need to "mean not to" do. In other words, actively try to not have something happen. "I didn't mean to drive my car into those people in the crosswalk but I was checking my messages" is not a good excuse. Actions have consequences.

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05-26-2025 , 11:19 AM

#14012

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Originally Posted by Crossnerd

I stopped speaking to my father

this makes me really sad, i hope you can take some time to swallow injustice and mend the void

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05-26-2025 , 11:23 AM

#14013

geezerchess

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

So obviously you don't think it's fine for people to die of COVID even thought you accept that natural selection is real. Obviously that kind of misanthropy is a non-sequitur.

I think folks dying of COVID is terrible. However, within Evolution Philosophy (which I obviously reject) folks dying of COVID isn't inherently problematic.

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05-26-2025 , 11:34 AM

#14014

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Originally Posted by geezerchess

I think folks dying of COVID is terrible.

So do the folks who accept mainstream science on evolution, so whatever you were implying is rather dishonest.

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05-26-2025 , 11:53 AM

#14015

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

So do the folks who accept mainstream science on evolution, so whatever you were implying is rather dishonest.

I never said folks who accept mainstream science are happy with folks dying of COVID.

I specifically said (maybe in another thread) that most folks do have compassion for others: the reason being that we all are made in the Image of God and thereby have a conscience.

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05-26-2025 , 11:54 AM

#14016

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by geezerchess

I think folks dying of COVID is terrible. However, within Evolution Philosophy (which I obviously reject) folks dying of COVID isn't inherently problematic.

This is pretty ****ing dumb, even by your standards, and that's some achievement.

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05-26-2025 , 11:56 AM

#14017

geezerchess

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

This is pretty ****ing dumb, even by your standards, and that's some achievement.

Thank you! I accept any and all accolades!!

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05-26-2025 , 11:57 AM

#14018

Luciom

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Originally Posted by geezerchess

I think folks dying of COVID is terrible. However, within Evolution Philosophy (which I obviously reject) folks dying of COVID isn't inherently problematic.

you are conflating social darwinism with considering the theory of evolution correct to explain what happens.

it's the social darwinists who won't find it particularly problematic if the weak and frail die.

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05-26-2025 , 12:07 PM

#14019

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Originally Posted by Luciom

That's a fair point.

Having said that, Social Darwinism is a natural (so-to-speak) consequence of Evolution Philosophy.

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05-26-2025 , 12:19 PM

#14020

geezerchess

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Originally Posted by geezerchess

A post I made in this thread just yesterday:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=13985

Natural Selection is real.

But even within natural selection, cats have kittens and dogs have puppies.

What is also real is that we are made in the Image of God, which gives us a moral compass.

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05-26-2025 , 12:40 PM

#14021

Gorgonian

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Originally Posted by geezerchess

But even within natural selection, cats have kittens and dogs have puppies.

What is the purpose of this line?

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05-26-2025 , 02:14 PM

#14022

corpus vile

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Originally Posted by geezerchess

A post I made in this thread just yesterday:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=13985

Natural Selection is real.

But even within natural selection, cats have kittens and dogs have puppies.

What is also real is that we are made in the Image of God, which gives us a moral compass.

So God is a white black brown Chinese trans hermaphrodite?

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What is the purpose of this line?

It means men are men and woman are woman and that's all there is to it. Checkmate.

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05-26-2025 , 02:20 PM

#14023

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by corpus vile

So God is a white black brown Chinese trans hermaphrodite?

It means men are men and woman are woman and that's all there is to it. Checkmate.

You guys have to be doing this **** on purpose now.

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05-26-2025 , 02:46 PM

#14024

57 On Red

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Originally Posted by geezerchess

Over 30 years ago I wrote a paper (which was never published) called, "Origin of the Specious." In it, I discussed the origin of Evolutionism and how it predated Darwin by over 2,000 years.

No one before Darwin and Wallace had worked out the mechanism, that is, the common descent of all organisms and the practical favouring of random mutations.

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05-26-2025 , 02:57 PM

#14025

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Originally Posted by geezerchess

Over 30 years ago I wrote a paper (which was never published) called, "Origin of the Specious." In it, I discussed the origin of Evolutionism and how it predated Darwin by over 2,000 years.

Not bad. Not quite Sense and Sensibilia by JL Austin but I hope the book I never wrote had such a good title.