Also, apropos of nothing in particular, I suddenly have this image in my head of one of the incels from the Whitmer arrest mugshots out in public, shouting "go ****ing suck your own dick" into his phone, while passers-by look on cautiously and give him a wide berth.

@tame_deuces

Am I really playing am chair psychologist there? when I see an internet mob harassing a person? And than that person committing a murder/suicide?

Take that case as an example if you will, but don't take down the thread imo. I really didn't appreciate that, as it raises awareness to the problem of internet bullying, and although I admit it is a complex case, there were the undeniable elements/facts that there was cyber bullying taking place. That may or may not have lead to this horrific event. But it was there and I think it is important to talk about this.
Please learn about this case before you jump to conclusions.

Ps. I am sure well named would not have done that.
And would have understood me.

Washoe, Cyber bullying and laws is an important topic. That thread is not a good way in imo. Can't you start a more general thread?

It is. I probably should have done that and will. But feeling bummed out at the moment and so misunderstood.

It was not a good way in I agree, but you have to work with what's there, and that case was happening a few days ago. I still am really amazed by how much someone of the calibre of tamed misunderstood me. Maybe he didn't have enough key facts.

To his defence it looks crazy, that's why I said its unprecedented. So i understood why he closed it immediately.

I'm fine with a more general thread on the subject, like I said it is an important topic.

To expand on the point made in the closed thread: Links between being the victim of bullying and committing extreme anti-social acts is strenuous even in general terms (even if it is a popular claim in media and layman conversation), would be difficult to show even when you have a person to examine and a fairly outlandish claim when there is noone to examine. You can dig up the odd study, but the relationships are often exaggerated in the studies and then exaggerated even more in media. But such claims often crop up after extreme events (mass shootings, this case, patricide / matricide / infanticide, serial killings, terrorism etc). These are rarely good debates, and in some cases play very loose with the facts as well.

You're more likely to find bullies as perpetrators in such cases than bullying victims, as bullies generally show stronger links towards anti-social behaviors. If we were going to have a debate on how bullying can lead to extreme violence, that is probably a healthier debate.

Source: I am a social psychologist, so this is within my field.

But yes, cliff notes: I closed the thread because I think the "he was bullied so he raped and killed" is a claim that is simply put just too out of whack.

And I apologize for my insulting tone in the closing thread, that was uncalled for. I can be abrupt and hand-wavy at times.

No worries. Thank you for explaining in great detail.
I understood your concerns.

I think in retrospect my post was poorly written, and allowed for misinterpretation of my intentions.

The correct order was by the way:
Heavy drug user and poker player tried to rob and rape a 86y old lady and then was allowed to stream on twitch. (That was the first mistake by twitch) Then faced a cruel followship from a German forum, before he took the life of his gf and his own.
None of this was supposed to happen. (They even let him sell stakes on the platform, even though they should have known this is not the right thing to do)
So he passed several checks, or rather this could have been stopped in time.
The result of severe violence through bullying is an interesting topic. I am not certain that this is what happened here and wanted you guys opinion.

@siegfried if you had really read the thread you would have known he was a poker player.

I will make a more clear thread about the topic in general Or have someone else do it before me.

The Paris suicide case is mindboggeling btw.

you all have 5 minutes to encourage my destructive mood.

but mostly just want to congratulate the current moderators on achieving what i thought was impossible. i received, via pm, only one predictable complaint in the entire time these dudes took over.

Good to know my genuine complaint was labeled as predictable hogwash.

I have deleted a fair bit of rampant trolling, but haven't had time to send notifications. I'm also a bit reluctant to issue warnings or infractions if the the poster in question does occasionally engage in lucid debate, unless the trolling was especially egregious. I guess I'm soft-hearted.

So if anyone wonders where their favorite insult or trolling comment went, it now only exists as a cherished memory.

I object to bring named the OP of the Homeless and Poverty Thread.

My quote that begat the thread was NOT about homelessness and poverty.

Very dishonest

(Sidenote edit: Why am I speaking in sentence fragments like President Trump?)

I even proposed the title "What are Liberal Principles?"

Please edit at once.

Thanks in advance

jesus stop whining

I love discussion and debate. I don't keep my controversial views a secret.

But I will not participate if the mods are DELIBERATELY misrepresenting my views.

I expect lies and distortions from posters but not mods.

I'll whine all I want!!!!

True, but those responding to your post started the discussion. Not sure what's dishonest about it, seems weird to move those posts and not the post they are quoting, but ok.

Honestly kind of confused. Are you saying I am framing you as the OP of a discussion you don't want to be a part of? Apologies if so, that was not my intent. I just quickly backtracked clicking on all the posts containing the homelessness/charity/etc. discussion.

My quote in the OP was from another thread in which I proposed a thread about Liberal Principles . My quote was NOT about the title of the new thread. Different topic entirely.

It's a great thread, but it is deceptive about my views on the subject.

Ok, I see what you're saying. I guess I just assumed people would know that it was extracted from another thread.

I added a disclaimer. Fwiw I did try to delete your post, but apparently it screws up the thread if you delete the OP and the entire thread gets deleted so I brought it back.

Ok. Thanks.

It seems an honest mistake after all. I'm glad about that.

I apologize for accusing you and the other mods of dishonesty.

The moderation has been excellent overall . I thank you and the other mods for the thankless task of dealing with people like me.

What did IHIV do to eat another temp? He didn't seem to say anything out of line in the homelessness thread.

Perhaps the offensive post was deleted.

I don't comment on the specifics of decisions that directly involve posters. If and when Itshot returns, he is of course free to tell his side of events.

The question is why he wasn’t banned earlier for his long track record of absolute dogshit posting.

In the interests of self preservation, I'm not sure that's a precedent I would want the mods to set.

+1

There would be like four posters left in this Forum. (Christian humility prohibits me from saying whether or not I believe I'd be one of them.)

Antireligious savagery compels me to say that you wouldn't.