In my opinion, discussing Left vs. Right is an entertaining diversion that fails to adequately address that the Ruling Class (i.e. the donors to the two major parties in America), are pro-war, pro-debt, pro-corporations, pro medical-industrial complex, etc.

As I've opined roughly a gazillion times before: its not Democrat vs. Republican or Liberal vs. Conservative, it's The Ruling Class versus The Citizenry.

Hard to tell this case if you're trolling or being a bit of a simpleton but I've never been against calling people names,

As long as there up to it. I dont have that little respect for you so whatever the mods will allow is fine with me.

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lol, chez is getting salty these days. Wonder why.

Pretty much this. The left is losing so much ground because it wont argue for socialised policies, universal benefits, nationalisation, tackling gross inequality etc. Too many enjoy scoffing at the right while burying their heads in the sand at their capitulation.

You claim to read my posts but i've clearly never had any problem with calling people names.

Different concepts can have same of the same words in their descriptions - That's not beyond your comprehension is it?

Corbyn did all this.

Im not saying I disagree, but its not like we have not had candidates who did the above, and whilst he was in power, Labour voters in the north fled into the arms of the right.

Point of clarity: I have never claimed the bolded, nor do I do so now.

But in skimming a few of them, I have seen you opine several times that we should not engage in "the name-calling thingy", as you so eloquently put it. What did you mean by this?

He means you shouldn’t call racists racist if they make a bunch of anti-Mexican slurs.

Not entirely accurate but gives a solid baseline.

If you look into Jonathan Heidt's work on personality and politics, you will see that its fairly easy to predict someone's politics from a thorough assessment of their personality thru the context of the Big 5: Extroversion, Conscientiousness, Openness, Neuroticism, and Agreeableness

People who are more conscientious tend to lean conservative. These tend to be the "pull yourself up from your bootstraps" type of people. If you treat your work with respect and do your job well then you will be rewarded in the future, if not the present.

People who are more agreeable tend to be lean liberal. They will take the feelings of others into account when making a decision. Conservatives tend to belieive that "facts dont care about your feelings" and will tell hard truths.

People who are more open to ideas and experiences tend to lean liberal. Conservatives are more likely to be skeptical of new information that conflicts with their worldview while liberals are more likely to be skeptical of a worldview that doesn't match new information.

Extroversion and Nueroticism are pretty neutral politically although its fair to say that both political extremes are highly nuerotic, they just blame different people for the problems.

Sure you have.

Maybe you're best off just sticking to trolley.

For a group that favours "hard truths", right wingers sure do seem to be fond of completely baseless conspiracy theories and "alternative facts", as long as those are in agreement with their world view.

yep took 30 years or so to make an effort and then abandoned as fast as possible.

Despite the fact he did very well to start, the policies remain popular, got destroyed by brexit and his personal standing with the voters. Give up. Run away.

The extreme right no question but I would suggest the extreme left has some crazy ideas as well

The problem is that in the last few years, the extreme right has become the mainstream right. The extreme left has stayed fringe.

Are you basing that on the Polls that show a large % of republicans believe that the election was stolen and Jan 6th was OK? I always question these Polls as has anyone here been polled.

I think people have fun with Polls and just lie

I am basing it on the fact that 50+ million people voted for an orange, fascist, conspiracy-theory pandering, anti-science moron. Twice.

Russian collusion (Rachel Maddow ruined her career over this narrative)

"Fiery, but mostly peaceful protests" (A literal CNN headline with a picture of a burning building behind it)

"2 weeks to slow the spread" (Almost at 2 years now)

Trump is removing USPS mailboxes in cities so black people can't vote (The USPS removed mailboxes that weren't being used. Turnout was higher for 2020 than any election ever, and black people outvoted their % of the population)

Blaming the unvaxxed for the mutation/spread of a vaccine resistant COVID variant. ( If it was only spreading among the unvaxxed it wouldnt develop vaccine resistance)



Thats 5 I thought of on the top of my head from the past 5 or so years.

Both sides have their conspiracies

Lol at comparing those to conspiracies pushed by *checks notes* the president of the ****ing United States. (And btw, some of your examples are questionable to say the least, but let's say I stipulate to them for the purposes of this discussion).

You're really comparing apples to oranges. Sure, there may have been isolated incidents of people on the left getting it wrong. That's different to the right, where getting it wrong and dealing in conspiracy theories and science denial is a feature, not a bug.

Yup. Whoever wins the 2020 Republican nomination is going to have to out crazy the competition. In the Dem side Bernie Samders and Biden both specifically pushed back against defund the police. There is basically nothing too extreme on the right to hurt in a Republican primary.

Yup and they will vote for him again in 2024 if they can as Joe has made things so much better.

Take California nice to see them deliver on Universal Healthcare for all with a super majority and that is why they vote GOP or not all in 2024

So, are you saying that you agree or disagree that Trump is a symptom of the extreme right turning into the mainstream right? You seem to have strayed away from the point we were discussing.

If you are saying that Biden is bad, I have no view on that, and I don't see the relevance to the point.

Well if that’s true it just proves his point. Tucker Carloson’s career is gonna be just fine after first blaming Jan 6 on undercover Dems and a plot to make Trump supporters look bad (as if they need any help).

lozen is like the platonic ideal of a modern Republican voter, just pure whataboutism is his response to everything.