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02-09-2022 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
and btw my grammer is fine. D2 is lucky i dont do the silly bet thing. I can also wear a tie.
Ah, you must be an intelligent, literate person in disguise. I have to commend you chez - it's a very good disguise.
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02-09-2022 , 04:10 PM
Can't fool you though.
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02-09-2022 , 04:11 PM
It would actually be kinda funny if Rogan invented a racial slur for people from Atlantis.
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02-09-2022 , 04:15 PM
Would not be hard for him to figure out a use of the word wet that appealed to his base. It could even be a word that was initially used generations ago officially in the US government as the name of an operation, so then it could be used in context of a historical debate with fellow scholars!
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02-09-2022 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
For those of you who listen to Joe Rogan, why do you do it? Is it because you find him entertaining? Provocative? Educational? All of the above?
Entertainment and Educational. I much prefer long form discussions about things I find interesting than anything else. Same reason I listen to a bunch of other podcasts. I have no idea how anyone can sit down and watch a news program on TV, it's mind numbing.

Jordan Peterson and Joe discuss why some reasons why it might be so popular.

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02-09-2022 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Would not be hard for him to figure out a use of the word wet that appealed to his base. It could even be a word that was initially used generations ago officially in the US government as the name of an operation, so then it could be used in context of a historical debate with fellow scholars!
Before you edited in all the other stuff, I thought you meant a totally different use of "wet" and I was being original. But I wasn't, so I deleted my post.
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02-09-2022 , 04:28 PM
Dude is uncomfortable going to a movie theater in Pittsburgh, why is he even interested in Atlantis?
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02-09-2022 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
I am generally sympathetic to those views even if I do not go anywhere near out on the limb they do, especially since we all know now that more and more mainstream critique and science is being silenced and as such getting any skeptic voice is very difficult.
It's odd to me that this is your perspective. I would rate the last 30 years as an unmitigated boom time for the promotion of fringe ideas, mainly because technology and social media has made it so easy for fringe types to disseminate their views to a sympathetic audience. I guess there has been some pullback in the last 5-6 years, but that's mainly because people like Alex Jones began to seem a little less amusing, and a little more dangerous, with someone like Trump in office.
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02-09-2022 , 04:38 PM
No kidding, and with improved search engine profiling - people can find extra fringy stuff of their particular interest with no effort, so the randos nobody ever heard of before suddenly get an audience that would have not been possible years ago as easily. Look at some of the weird fringy stuff Twitter stuff that Harkin guy posts - that material is not easy to find without help that updated technology provides to those who wish to passively consume that information.
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02-09-2022 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
Entertainment and Educational. I much prefer long form discussions about things I find interesting than anything else. Same reason I listen to a bunch of other podcasts. I have no idea how anyone can sit down and watch a news program on TV, it's mind numbing.
I listen to podcasts a decent amount. But it never would have occurred to me to to listen to Joe Rogan. I never watch news programs on TV.
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02-09-2022 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I don't know. I just looked up a video where he was interviewing some guy who claimed to be an Atlantis researcher. I only listened for a few minutes. I expected it to be entertaining in an Ancient Aliens sort of way. But it was quite boring.
Well you are probably more informed than 99% of his target audience. His audience likes him for a reason and that is he is often asking the questions they would ask which can be called 'babe in the woods' type questions.

The podcasts I listen to are mostly the ones that are complete greenfields for me on topics I have no baseline for and that i got used to his style so long ago, i don't really notice it, now.

But I think you likely would struggle with Joe's style regardless of topic, which is fine. Again he has a demographic for a reason.
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02-09-2022 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
No i still have no issue with dictionaries containing words. whether it's printed, online or a speaking version (I guess they exist)

and btw my grammer is fine. D2 is lucky i dont do the silly bet thing. I can also wear a tie.
Well then I struggle with the inconsistency.

Why not just print 'Nword' instead of using the real word in the dictionary when it is equally as easy to explain?

Why would the same people not take offense to seeing it, but they would if they had an audio book dictionary and heard it.

I assume that you would edit in the audio book dictionary, right? If not even more confusion as to your distinction that a scholarly debate = wrong to use but an audio book equals ok???


it seems your view is very arbitrary and 'you' focused to me.
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02-09-2022 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
For those of you who listen to Joe Rogan, why do you do it? Is it because you find him entertaining? Provocative? Educational? All of the above?
He has some very interesting guests on his podcast.

I had a 7 hour drive and listened to Dr Gupta and Jewel . Both podcasts were great. Its not like legacy media were its scripted 5 minutes. Recently listened to Knees over Toes guy and founf=d that entertaining as well

Anyone that thinks sitting down for a 3 hour interview is easy lol. Larry King was very good at it and he did an hour
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02-09-2022 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Well then I struggle with the inconsistency.

Why not just print 'Nword' instead of using the real word in the dictionary when it is equally as easy to explain?

Why would the same people not take offense to seeing it, but they would if they had an audio book dictionary and heard it.

I assume that you would edit in the audio book dictionary, right? If not even more confusion as to your distinction that a scholarly debate = wrong to use but an audio book equals ok???


it seems your view is very arbitrary and 'you' focused to me.
a) A dictionary is a source of information on words - the word is not being used.
b) You have to be able to find things in it by how they are spelt
c) it's used to check spellings.

Lots of nuance and vaguesness in PC. That is not the same as arbitary.
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02-09-2022 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
It's odd to me that this is your perspective. I would rate the last 30 years as an unmitigated boom time for the promotion of fringe ideas, mainly because technology and social media has made it so easy for fringe types to disseminate their views to a sympathetic audience. I guess there has been some pullback in the last 5-6 years, but that's mainly because people like Alex Jones began to seem a little less amusing, and a little more dangerous, with someone like Trump in office.
You think these alarms being sounded that I posted in a prior conversation thread are just my perspective?

I am frustrated, because like Monty says maybe i am the old man shouting into the heavens but I simply do not think anyone cares or reads this stuff and instead just has your perspective things are good and getting better despite there being reams of scholarly articles yelling Red Alert our systems are being coopted just as gov't has been and Big MSM has been.


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Epistemic Corruption, the Pharmaceutical Industry, and the Body of Medical Science

Department of Philosophy, Queen’s University, Kingston, ON, Canada

When a knowledge system importantly loses integrity, ceasing to provide the kinds of trusted knowledge expected of it, we can label this epistemic corruption. Epistemic corruption often occurs because the system has been co-opted for interests at odds with some of the central goals thought to lie behind it. There is now abundant evidence that the involvement of pharmaceutical companies corrupts medical science. Within the medical community, this is generally assumed to be the result of conflicts of interest. However, some important ways that the industry corrupts are not captured well by standard analyses in terms of conflicts of interest. It is not just that there is a body of medical science perverted by industry largesse. Instead, much of the corruption of medical science via the pharmaceutical industry happens through grafting activities: Pharmaceutical companies do their own research and smoothly integrate it with medical science, taking advantage of the legitimacy of the latter....

...Like most systems that can be corrupted, medical science has never been pure or perfect. But the pharmaceutical industry can trade on the presumed innocence of medical research’s overriding goal: creating knowledge to benefit patient health. That is, some standard narratives of medical research attribute to it purity of heart, and a mere shortage of means that can be rectified by industry support.

In a very different context, Kierkegaard (1995: 76) writes: “As the world changes, the forms of corruption also gradually become more cunning, more difficult to point out.” In its corruption of medical science, the pharmaceutical industry has borne this out.


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Biomedical Research and Corporate Interests: A Question of Academic Freedom

The current situation in medicine has been described as a crisis of credibility, as the profit motive of industry has taken control of clinical trials and the dissemination of data. Pharmaceutical companies maintain a stranglehold over the content of medical journals in three ways: (1) by ghostwriting articles that bias the results of clinical trials, (2) by the sheer economic power they exert on journals due to the purchase of drug advertisements and journal reprints, and (3) by the threat of legal action against those researchers who seek to correct the misrepresentation of study results. This paper argues that Karl Popper's critical rationalism provides a corrective to the failure of academic freedom in biomedical research....

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Corporate Interest & Public Health
KNOWLEDGE, EXPERTISE, MARKETS
Institut de recherche interdisciplinaire sur les enjeux sociaux - IRIS

Over the recent decades, the influence of corporate interests – most notably from the cigarette, chemical, pharmaceutical, and food industries – on public health has attracted growing concerns and public attention. Within this context, one notion, that of ‘conflict of interest’ (CoI), has become widespread and used as the main lens through which this influence and its problematic consequences on the construction of scientific knowledge, on the decisions taken by public authorities, and on heath practices is approached...

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Corporate Disguises in Medical Science: Dodging the Interest Repertoire
Sergio Sismondo

Roughly 40% of the sizeable medical research and literature on recently approved drugs is “ghost managed” by the pharmaceutical industry and its agents. Research is performed and articles are written by companies and their agents, though apparently independent academics serve as authors on the publications. Similarly, the industry hires academic scientists, termed key opinion leaders, to serve as its speakers and to deliver its continuing medical education courses. In the ghost management of knowledge, and its dissemination through key opinion leaders, we see the pharmaceutical industry attempting to hide or disguise the interests behind its research and education....

I mean, I can cite 20 more saying versions of the same thing that Big Pharma is slowly taking full control, with both the carrot and stick. They provide most of the big money but also threaten groups who cannot afford it with expensive litigation. They are ghost writing what we get presented as settled science increasingly just as they are legislation and politicians responses.

They template is set and it works and the rewards make it worth the investment, since they have control of the gov't bodies that would usually be the police of this via a House or Senate hearing.
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02-09-2022 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Dude is uncomfortable going to a movie theater in Pittsburgh, why is he even interested in Atlantis?
I thought it was Philly.
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02-09-2022 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
No kidding, and with improved search engine profiling - people can find extra fringy stuff of their particular interest with no effort, so the randos nobody ever heard of before suddenly get an audience that would have not been possible years ago as easily. Look at some of the weird fringy stuff Twitter stuff that Harkin guy posts - that material is not easy to find without help that updated technology provides to those who wish to passively consume that information.
nothing I post above is 'fringy stuff'. Queens university is one the most respected in Canada.

it makes me sad you guys default to that belief each and every time in faovur of corporations and with a willingness to hand wave away the alarms of very credible groups within these industries with a default fringy and lack of credibility.

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02-09-2022 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
a) A dictionary is a source of information on words - the word is not being used.
b) You have to be able to find things in it by how they are spelt
c) it's used to check spellings.

Lots of nuance and vaguesness in PC. That is not the same as arbitary.
Why is the same person not offended though., Be very specific.

I have an audio book and i hear the word used in definition.

I listen to a history language professor use the word in context to define its historical use.


You say the latter OFFENSIVE, should not be done.

You say the former ok.

What is it that distinguishes it for the listener?
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02-09-2022 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33
I mean come on we had Kamala on national TV saying she wouldn't take the vaccine if it got approved before the election because she didn't trust Trump. A complete lack of awareness of how the clinical trial/drug approval process works. Far more dangerous misinformation in terms of undermining confidence in vaccines than anything Joe Rogan said. Not a peep from anyone about it.
Lol people are constantly drawing a false equivalence between that statement and actual antivaxism. Trump was the only person saying there might be a vaccine available before the election. Given no actual doctors or health officials were saying it would be approved by then, her statement was completely reasonable.
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02-09-2022 , 05:41 PM
What if Bigfoot is actually a derogatory term for Sasquatches?
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02-09-2022 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
What if Bigfoot is actually a derogatory term for Sasquatches?
Check with washoe, I understand that's his field of study.
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02-09-2022 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Why is the same person not offended though., Be very specific.

I have an audio book and i hear the word used in definition.

I listen to a history language professor use the word in context to define its historical use.


You say the latter OFFENSIVE, should not be done.

You say the former ok.

What is it that distinguishes it for the listener?
Offense is used as a PC shorthand ifor harm to vulnerable groups caused by offensive language.

if you can persuade me (or more importantly the relevant group) that the existence of words in dictionaries causes harm to them then I would support getting rid of them wherever possible. Same with history lectures

Unfortuantely there is a racism in history and history departments (as most places) so a tiny bit of effort on language helps. I'm not sure the problem exists for dictionaries.
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02-09-2022 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I listen to podcasts a decent amount. But it never would have occurred to me to to listen to Joe Rogan. I never watch news programs on TV.
Cool? You asked why people do, I explained and posted a video of maybe some the reasons JRE is the most popular podcast. I couldn't care less what you listen to.
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02-09-2022 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Lol people are constantly drawing a false equivalence between that statement and actual antivaxism. Trump was the only person saying there might be a vaccine available before the election. Given no actual doctors or health officials were saying it would be approved by then, her statement was completely reasonable.
Yup very silly point by revots and echoed on the right.

lest we forget Trump was begging people to please just take Hydroxychloroquine as he was loading up the national stockpile, even as his CDC was saying not to.

Kamala's comment was solely about Trump advising, and that she would not trust Trump, until she heard the CDC take the position.

the second there was declared vaccine and Trump heard the behind the scenes chatter it looked good, he would have raced out to demand it be given immediately while demonizing the CDC process for approval, so he could then latter proclaim how if not for him they never would have allowed it.

He was actually quite good at managing, for his derps, the optics of necessary built in delays as something that was a negative that only he could clear away or no progress would ever be made.
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02-09-2022 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Check with washoe, I understand that's his field of study.
I approve this post.
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