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05-02-2024 , 11:49 PM
lol at believing that guy. like, are you literally a stupid person? have some self respect.
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05-02-2024 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
It's not specifically communism (imo obviously). It's Maoist China and Bolshevic Russia and Nazi Germany. It's authoritarianism. Submission to the state. The specifics of the state don't matter much. If the notion is that the state or party or any huge abstract group is primary and individuals are there to serve that group, then very bad things can happen to lots of individuals.

A government has to serve people if it should exist at all, not people serving the state. Whether or not you need a little law and order, there's way too much submission to the state in the US anyway and a lot less bootlicking would nice.
the US govt serves the people. the Israeli genocidal govt serves the people. the Nazi govt served the people. in all three cases the people overwhelmingly supported the govt.

so Ill take any of those people any day over the genocidal crap from the USA and Israel.
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05-02-2024 , 11:53 PM
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Hamas will make sure the protesters end up on the wrong side of history.
and what will netanyahu make sure for the supporters of israel's actions?

which are somewhat more serious actions than a bit of protest
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05-02-2024 , 11:54 PM
Dunyan,

They're all conmen. Bibi is gonna be out of office and maybe in prison, but it's not going to have anything to do with Gaza.
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05-02-2024 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
the US govt serves the people. the Israeli genocidal govt serves the people. the Nazi govt served the people. in all three cases the people overwhelmingly supported the govt.

so Ill take any of those people any day over the genocidal crap from the USA and Israel.
Those three regimes together killed like 100 million people.
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05-03-2024 , 12:33 AM
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Dunyan,

They're all conmen. Bibi is gonna be out of office and maybe in prison, but it's not going to have anything to do with Gaza.
Yeah, but there are levels. Israel society functions fairly well under their conmen. So does our society, even under Trump.

Palestinian society has done horribly, and the worse they do the more the rest of the world insists on rewarding the conmen with billions and helping them consolidate power. In the interview, the Hamas defector mentioned this is the 5th war Israel has with Hamas. And every previous time the rest of the world has forced Israel into a ceasefire that benefited Hamas and did nothing for the Palestinian people. And if it wasn't for Israel sacrificing its reputation, and hundreds of its own young men to buck world opinion and take the fight directly to Hamas in Gaza, this war would have been no different.

Maybe his intuitions are wrong, but the guy I was listening to seemed genuinely interested in freeing his people from the death spiral they are in, and in his mind supporting Israel is the best hope for this. Maybe they will never get the 1948 borders, or even the 1967, but if the Palestinian people can find a way to stop fighting and make peace with Israel, even if it is completely on Israeli's terms, they can have peace and prosperity and a future 100x brighter than anything the Arafats and Sinwar's of the world are offering.

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05-03-2024 , 12:57 AM
Americans have killed

Millions of native Americans
Millions of African Americans
Millions of various Asian races (Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Filipino, Vietnamese)
Hundreds of thousands of Russians
Hundreds of thousands of Germans
Hundreds of thousands of middle eastern people (Iraqi , Afghani, Syrian)
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05-03-2024 , 01:20 AM
When did Americans kill hundreds of thousands of Russians?
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05-03-2024 , 01:30 AM
Anyway, America is a very authoritarian country. Very militant. Flag waving. Patriotic. Dangerous. Not as authoritarian as the worst in human history, but it's pretty bad. Most people in prison per capita is a big clue.
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05-03-2024 , 01:40 AM
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Anyway, America is a very authoritarian country. Very militant. Flag waving. Patriotic. Dangerous. Not as authoritarian as the worst in human history, but it's pretty bad. Most people in prison per capita is a big clue.
Early days
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05-03-2024 , 02:57 AM
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remember when BGP was going on and on about how precision weapons would save lives. now even CNN is reporting on that foosball strike on children.
This was either an accidental Israeli strike or more likely an intentional bombing by Hamas to make it look like the Israelis did it. I hope nobody is implying that Israel did this on person.

The people should be protesting Hamas. I'm shocked that the rioting I'm seeing in NYC is allowed after 911.
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05-03-2024 , 03:16 AM
I think we are going to see more fighting back against these Hamas driven protests. You don't bring this to the mother land without consequences. Our government is clearly not protecting us.

Joe Biden better step up because this is gonna be a more violent summer of love.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwXPJGdEZa8

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05-03-2024 , 03:28 AM
This is disgusting. What has happened to my country.

Go get em officers!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqQClo1tv0c
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05-03-2024 , 03:32 AM
Get ready for lone wolf terrorist attacks. These riots should have been shut down day one. Obviously this was gonna escalate. This is why we take the fight to them over there. Hopefully more American patriots step in to stop this nonsense.
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05-03-2024 , 03:35 AM
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This was either an accidental Israeli strike or more likely an intentional bombing by Hamas to make it look like the Israelis did it. I hope nobody is implying that Israel did this on person.

I mean hard to argue with this. But all these accidental airstrikes that go on, would you agree the IDF must be one of the most incompetent militaries in the world or Hamas is saving their good weapons to use on their citizens?
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05-03-2024 , 03:37 AM
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Get ready for lone wolf terrorist attacks. These riots should have been shut down day one. Obviously this was gonna escalate. This is why we take the fight to them over there. Hopefully more American patriots step in to stop this nonsense.
Should we cleanup the mess in Syria first or just go straight to Iran?
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05-03-2024 , 03:49 AM
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Its traditionally a war tactic to belittle the enemy or put them in the same cabal of whatever is hated or that could lead others to hate as well. But there is a legitimate voice in arguing and protesting against what the IDF is doing. They are absolutely committing genocide on the Palestinians in my opinion.

While ive basically come to the safe conclusion over the last 20 years through history and the mindset of those who argue for it today, is that communism, in its historical representation as well as modern folks who claim to support and it in its new altered meaning of the ideology, really are and always have been some of the simplest and mentally rekt muther****ers behind the nazis.

But trying to paint the protesters as such when their position, which is the disgust for Israel's military leadership, which will also end up being on the right side of history, is pretty idiotic and two completely separate things.
Formula those people are anti capitalists as well as anti IDF.

How many of them would say "yes of course capitalism is the best organizational system ever devised by humanity by a large margin and the main source of our current prosperity"?

Ofc communist is used in it's enlarged form which includes socialism and so on and on: their tiny internal differences are irrelevant
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05-03-2024 , 04:23 AM
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This is disgusting. What has happened to my country.
Your country, like most western countries, was always a shithole. It would have to be to produce so many people like you.
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05-03-2024 , 04:26 AM
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Your country, like most western countries, was always a shithole.
So why are so many people desperate to join us?
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05-03-2024 , 04:27 AM
Repent!
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05-03-2024 , 04:27 AM
Who is us?
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05-03-2024 , 04:36 AM
They're going deep tonight, folks.
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05-03-2024 , 04:37 AM
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05-03-2024 , 04:45 AM
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Who is us?
Our countries, Italy, UK, USA and so on.

If these places are such **** holes, why aren't people leaving for better places? Instead the opposite happens, a lot more people want to come here than they want to leave
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05-03-2024 , 05:05 AM
They are actually doing it again.

After the pillages and riots of BLM.

After the violence everywhere on every campus where they set up the tents (yes violence against other people property is violence).

Mostly peaceful

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