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I expect better of Jews. That is a bit supremacist I guess, but it's not that Jews have good-person genes, it's that I thought being good and compassionate was the lesson from all the oppression and killing, not "kill 'em all".

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04-28-2024 , 06:23 PM

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Then hope for better but don't criticize every thing they do and ignore the atrocities that people who would put you in an oven just for your genetics are doing

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04-28-2024 , 06:23 PM

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It's been a long time since bible studies but I'm 99.99% the Old Testament and some parts of the Torah that didn't make it into the Catholic Bible, have verses on being fair and just toward your enemies because: 1. it's the right thing to do; 2. it's the best way to triumph over evil; 3. it's necessary to fight our own demons within.

Israel needs to do better.

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04-28-2024 , 06:23 PM

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Israel is good

It has been at times for sure. Operation Solomon and the like are maybe without equal in history.

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04-28-2024 , 06:26 PM

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Not really

Read the actual stories of what the macabees did (will this is in the prophets not torah)

Look what god did to the Egyptians (killed all their first born because the Pharoah wouldn't free the Hebrews)

Jews didn't fight back when they were brought into concentration camps

Never again

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04-28-2024 , 06:30 PM

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Then hope for better but don't criticize every thing they do and ignore the atrocities that people who would put you in an oven just for your genetics are doing

You talking about John Hagee?

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04-28-2024 , 06:36 PM

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I'm not talking about fairy tales. My Jewish tradition is more like Albert Einstein and Groucho Marx and less like the Macabees and Moshe Dayan.

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04-28-2024 , 06:37 PM

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Look what god did to the Egyptians (killed all their first born because the Pharoah wouldn't free the Hebrews)

God seems like a real prick here.

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04-28-2024 , 06:40 PM

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Look what god did to the Egyptians (killed all their first born because the Pharoah wouldn't free the Hebrews)

I can’t tell what level this is on.

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04-28-2024 , 06:40 PM

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God said to Abraham kill me a son
Abe said man you must be putting me on

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04-28-2024 , 06:42 PM

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I'm not talking about fairy tales. My Jewish tradition is more like Albert Einstein and Groucho Marx and less like the Macabees and Moshe Dayan.

There is huge evidence of the macabees. Not the 8 day wax myth but the macabees existed. And they were vicious

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04-28-2024 , 06:43 PM

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In a previous post he referenced Queen Esther saving the Jews and I just… dude, you know these stories aren’t real, right? …..Right??

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04-28-2024 , 06:44 PM

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God seems like a real prick here.

To be fair he gave the Pharoahs about 400 years to shape up

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04-28-2024 , 06:52 PM

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Anyway

If these icc arrest warrants happen ... things will get interesting

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04-28-2024 , 06:53 PM

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Do you comprehend how a Jewish person would want Israel to be good?

This is a great post

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04-28-2024 , 06:55 PM

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Israel is good

They do some not good things and can be criticized for them

They shouldn't be held to a different standard than anybody else though

By what measurement is Israel good

Israel does bad things ? Yes or no

Israel is being held to the same standard all rich western countries are held to

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04-28-2024 , 06:58 PM

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Old man Nicodemus could not make his heart believe
He could see that Jesus had some tricks up his sleeve
Said now, Oh man, Jesus I can't do things your way
But I can see you work with somebody big, so I'm backing your play

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04-28-2024 , 07:19 PM

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Meanwhile

War cabinet minister Benny Gantz said that the government would have no right to exist if it blocks a hostage deal, adding that the return of the hostages is of greater importance than a military operation in Rafah. His comments came after far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich told PM Netanyahu that if he cancels the planned ground offensive in Rafah, his government would have no right to exist.

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04-28-2024 , 07:20 PM

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Gantz is doing what opposition does: pretend there are no hard tradeoffs.

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04-28-2024 , 07:24 PM

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Gantz is doing what opposition does: pretend there are no hard tradeoffs.

What does that mean?

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04-28-2024 , 07:27 PM

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if you want a derail for the next 24h.

What would happen if Israel sent 5000 paratroopers to Ukraine? To help "train" folks.

Thought hit me while cooking dinner. Pretty Game of Thrones.

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04-28-2024 , 07:27 PM

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"It appears that Israel is willing to agree to a reduced number of hostages being released at this stage – 33 instead of the 40 it had previously demanded. But this also depends on what Hamas will demand in return – and we have already seen vocal opposition from the extreme right wing" - Amos Harel

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04-28-2024 , 07:29 PM

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This should make y'all happy

Defense Minister Gallant signed warrants for detention without trial against five Israeli settlers. The five had a central role in attacks against Palestinians earlier this month after the discovery of Israeli teen Binyamin Ahimeir's body, a security source told Haaretz. Overnight into Sunday, two settlers were arrested after clashing with Israeli forces near the Palestinian village of Susya.

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04-28-2024 , 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mmtsandfinsfans

Look what god did to the Egyptians (killed all their first born because the Pharoah wouldn't free the Hebrews)

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I can’t tell what level this is on.

Yeah, that's one of the easiest ways to date when the bible was written with almost no work. Nothing it says in the Pentateuch is remotely historical, even about the most major figures like Moses, Abraham or Noah. Then it starts getting random non important stuff correct like the name of a minor Assyrian King who's Nephew took the throne because he died without a son during the reign of Nebuchadnezzar II.

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04-28-2024 , 07:55 PM

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Someone says "it says in the torah mets

Mets gives an example in the Torah

Lol mets for quoting fairy treasures

Sometimes i really think I'm on the jamie Kennedy experiment

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