or if you support Palestinian rights and oppose genocide



but we all know that mets and his ilk dont consider this guy a "real Jew"

This is a totally disingenuous argument.

You feel it’s all good there. And that’s fine. I’m not discrediting your view, I’m saying that not what I’ve heard from friends/family.

Instead of accepting that some don’t feel
the same way, you try to discredit it with “lol friends” or “looked up on internet.”

You should def talk to some of your Jewish neighbors. See what they have to say.

I wonder if Palestinians are at all worried in the USA and UK. esp after a 6 yr old was stabbed to death after the media incited a psychopath on the "day of Jihad". or the 3 students that got shot with one paralyzed.

proly arent worried bc they love dying amirite. also, can human animals even feel fear, proly not.

I didn't say it's all good here. I said it seems fine. I have talked to Jewish neighbours over the years and they've noticed no change here. That could be down to locale, I don't know, but inferring that London has some sort of problem because of what one person you know says abut Golder's Green isn't smart.

I was living in another part of London ~15 years ago when part of the local Turkish and Greek communities decided to have a large street fight with knives, and it soon petered out into nothingness. London is unusual in its communities live almost on top of one another and differences tend to be quickly resolved.

What is your father's experience?

I think its pretty obv that a lot, if not all, of the questionable behavior going at any pro peace rally is from these guys.

Misgendering is not a crime in England & Wales and, as a result of JK Rowling's careful test of the Scottish hate-crime law, it doesn't seem that police are prepared to treat it as a crime in Scotland either. Threatening to kill is in fact a crime in England & Wales, though it has to relate to a specific person. Incitement to racial hatred is also a crime, and Islamist speakers have on occasion been arrested and charged for the usual 'Death to the Jews' stuff. The whole hate-speech thing is a slippery slope, as Americans often remark, but at least the UK doesn't have US-style at-will employment law. In the UK, if you're fired for wrongthink, you can take your case to an employment tribunal, as Maya Forstater successfully did, and the tribunal has to follow UK law and the European Convention on freedom of speech and belief. In the US, as I understand it, you have no such recourse (the First Amendment is a paper tiger that only restricts the federal government's power to legislate and does not actively confer any specific rights or protections on the citizen, and it certainly gives no scope to hold employers to account), so US employment law has quite a totalitarian, chilling, hivemind effect.

I thought he's in Italy.

Ok, so I don’t think we are arguing too much. This is semantics.

There is middle ground between “everything is totally fine” and “Jews are in constant danger.” There is def a level of uneasiness I suppose, like they don’t feel comfortable wearing kippahs at times. This is what I’m being told, obv in a huge city like London there’s gonna be lots of different views/friends.

My father (and his siblings) left England a long time ago. His cousins stayed.

to support Israel and support genocide most people necessarily need to make themselves afraid as justification.

All the IRL London Jews I know are from Bethnal Green. But if it's any consolation, I don't particularly like them

(I am in Italy).

So , chanting "death to America" automatically allows for police to arrest all the people chanting?

In fairness, having lived in Israel is at least a direct eyewitness account to a lot of what is being discussed here. Over say, what Twitter randomly tells you from a bunch of people who hate Jews.

You can listen to what someone tells you living in New York is like. Or you can actually do it. Only the latter really gives you a full sense of things. The rest is just second/third hand opinions laced in bias.

Sad about the "humanitarian" part, still decent to see this passed as well

but living in Gaza or the West Bank? their accounts mean nothing amirite

dont be sad. they need to keep the people alive to test the weapons on them. cant just starve them all to death. its not efficient capitalism.

No, it doesn't, because America is a nation state and not an ethnic group. Do keep up.

So death threats to say Labours would be accepted as well? As long as their are generic enough (no names and so on)?

"Dismember and torture the Labours" would be an acceptable chant (legally)?

Bethnal Green was very Jewish a hundred years ago, and up to the Second World War, but the largest ethnic group now is Bangladeshi, the MP is Rushanara Ali (Labour) and the population is 50% Muslim. Jews still in the area tend to be older, because of the drift to north-west London since the war.

You'd probably have to ask a policeman (and stop being a bad-faith wanker), wouldn't you?

It's not 'totally fine'. Never has been and there's no doubt that recent events ahve made it worse. Racists equate israel and jews, nutters are emboldened etc.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-...ar-2024-02-15/

Similarly for Muslims
https://www.itv.com/news/2024-02-22/...-against-women

The idea it's not safe by any reasonable standard is still way off the mark. Some pillock in the met police doesn't change that

Vic? None of that negates anti Semitism at pro Palestinian protests and London not being fine for people who are "openly Jewish", even if the cops say sorry.

Well you mentioned only ethnic groups are protected from group death threats (which seems strange but I mean, the whole management of free speech in UK looks strange fron outside).

A true two-state outcome is impossible because of Palestinian terrorism, sure, but also because of settlements run amok.

"The impossible often has a kind of integrity to it which the merely improbable lacks."

Israel has uprooted settlers before. If true peace was possible, they'd uproot more for sure. That is far from unsurmountable.