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02-06-2024 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
When the Americans bomb their targets, they fist pump and high five. So do the Russians. So do the Ukranians.
When I bomb my targets I like to say a little prayer for them.
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02-06-2024 , 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
The point is you can be gay in Israel or be married to ac Muslim in Israel and its okay

In gaza (and the West bank to some extent) its not okay to be gay

In February 2016, it was reported that one of the leading commanders of the armed wing of Palestinian militant group Hamas, Mahmoud Ishtiwi, was executed under the charges that he engaged in homosexual activity and theft.[20][21] Scholar Timea Spitka stated that in Gaza, coming out is a "death sentence" because police don't act against queerphobic violence, domestic violence isn't pursued, and civil society organizations, which protect women and children, are reported to be "vulnerable to attack." Spika added, in a related article, that this vulnerability has "been exploited by Israel," noting a connection between the Israeli occupation, lack of security and protection for women and non-heterosexual people, and lack of rule of law.[22][23] In 2019, Haaretz interviewed four gay men and one gay woman living in Gaza, who recounted their experiences: one man recounted his rough treatment by Hamas members, while others said they feared being arrested, outed, then forced into heterosexual marriage by their families. All four said that social media was a "game changer" in meeting other LGBTQ individuals, but some feared catfishing by undercover Hamas or Israeli intelligence agents.[24]

In August 2019, the Palestinian Authority announced that LGBT groups were forbidden to meet in the West Bank on the grounds that they are "harmful to the higher values and ideals of Palestinian society". This was in response to a planned conference in Nablus by Al-Qaws, a Palestinian LGBT group.[25][26][27] Following backlash, the ban was later withdrawn.[28]

In October 2022, Palestinian police arrested a suspect who beheaded a 25-year-old male Palestinian, Ahmad Abu Murkhiyeh, who was seeking asylum in Israel "because he was gay." At the time it was reported that 90 Palestinians who identified with the LGBT community lived "as asylum seekers in Israel."[29][30]


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If Palestine becomes a state, it is doubtful that gay people will have rights
Seems logical that we could start saying that people who support the Palestinian cause love seeing LGBT people murdered.

Oops, I mean support the murder of LGBT people.

Note to self - I need to remember this three weeks from now.
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02-06-2024 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by King_of_NYC
Hindustan Times. NY Times. Same thing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/06/w...dia-video.html

Victor was right.
Didn't Victor think the NY Times was hopelessly biased?
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02-06-2024 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
So disingenuous it’s actually gross
Do you really think gay people would not be persecuted in a Muslim Palestinian state? If so, what is your reason they would be treated differently than they are in the countries of their allies?
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02-06-2024 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
I have to admit Dunyain describing apartment buildings as communal housing projects took me by surprise.

From today on, I will tell people I live in housing projects too.
Since everyone seems to refer to Gaza as a 'prison camp', doesn't that terminology make sense? I can't imagine they are luxury apartments.
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02-06-2024 , 11:51 PM
Spreading LGBT empowerment one unguided bomb at a time!
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02-07-2024 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Seems logical that we could start saying that people who support the Palestinian cause love seeing LGBT people murdered.

Oops, I mean support the murder of LGBT people.

Note to self - I need to remember this three weeks from now.
Keep trolling about mod policy in this thread and you better keep that note.
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02-07-2024 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
A couple months ago weren't you reporting that Israel was in fact not really targeting at all, and just cluster bombing?
Prove it liar.
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02-07-2024 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
I have seen lots of pictures of Gaza and dont recall ever seeing what we could call a "house." Seems everyone lives in giant communal housing projects. Between this, the fact we already know most of the bombs Israel drops aren't using any smart technology, and the fact 85 media members have died out of 30,000+; yes it does appear to be random when a bomb hits the residence of any particular "media member"
Yeah, I may have to concede that point. When you carpet bomb entire neighborhoods, getting some of the local media is just a bonus I guess.
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02-07-2024 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Do you really think gay people would not be persecuted in a Muslim Palestinian state? If so, what is your reason they would be treated differently than they are in the countries of their allies?
Zionists, but in this thread especially Mets, do not give a single solitary **** about lgbtq Palestinians, and the feigned concern for their human rights would be laughable if it wasn’t so morally ****ing repugnant. What disingenuous exploitative garbage.
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02-07-2024 , 12:30 AM
It’d be the same as me saying Palestine wouldn’t allow abortion and in Israel abortion is state funded healthcare. If we allow Israel to be a state they’ll kill millions of unborn babies. Are you okay with that, pro-life Mets? Get the **** outta here lol

It’s not rocket science to see through that. He’s not saying it because he cares. He’s saying it because he sees it as a card to play, and the lives of lgbtq Palestinians are not a game piece for gotcha plays. It’s disgusting.
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02-07-2024 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
because i didn't think i needed to spell it out for you. everyone not fully allowing and recognizing marriage is bad.
But I hope you can realize not allowing marriage is less bad than murdering someone for being gay, right? (ignoring the fact Israel does in fact now allow gay marriage)

You seem very eager to make moral equivalencies comparing Israel and its Arab neighbors, when there really isn't any. It is very clear cut Israel is much less horrible in regard to LGBT rights than any of its neighbors, including the Palestinians territories.

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02-07-2024 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
ItÂ’d be the same as me saying Palestine wouldnÂ’t allow abortion and in Israel abortion is state funded healthcare. If we allow Israel to be a state theyÂ’ll kill millions of unborn babies. Are you okay with that, pro-life Mets? Get the **** outta here lol

ItÂ’s not rocket science to see through that. HeÂ’s not saying it because he cares. HeÂ’s saying it because he sees it as a card to play, and the lives of lgbtq Palestinians are not a game piece for gotcha plays. ItÂ’s disgusting.
Actually I would argue the progressive left and Arab world have exactly been using the lives of ALL Palestinians as game pieces, and I agree with you it is disgusting. No one who is serious at all thinks that the Palestinians will actually reconquer Israel from the River to the Sea; nor will attempts to do so meet in anything but their death and destruction.

So the continual support of this nihilistic, suicidal mission is the epitome of cynically using Palestinians as game pieces. That is just one example. Pretty much everything the progressive left and Arab world views about the conflict cynically supports the Palestinian cause at the expense of the people.

Name one good thing the progressive left has actually accomplished for the Palestinian people themselves in the last several decades. You would be very hard pressed to.

Would any of you ever tell your own children they should spend all their life's energies fighting to futility reclaim some olive grove their great grandparents lived on 100 years ago (that is probably a strip mall now anyways). Of course not. What a horrible thing to do to someone. Yet this is exactly what the progressive left supports for the Palestinian people.

With friends like these, who needs enemies?

I think the Palestinian people themselves should immediately be granted asylum in willing countries, and given a chance to actually live and thrive, instead of living in a dystopian hellscape devoted to a hopeless cause of reconquering a colony lost generations ago.

But that is just me. You do you.
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02-07-2024 , 01:08 AM
That was a very long way to admit that it’s true you don’t care about gay Palestinians, but thx Kelhus
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02-07-2024 , 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
That was a very long way to admit that it’s true you don’t care about gay Palestinians, but thx Kelhus
Your welcome.

And if you do care about gay Palestinians (or really, any Palestinians) I hope you can appreciate marching in the streets of New York chanting "Houthis Houthis make us proud" is not going to ever accomplish anything productive in this direction. Literally 0.0 chance.

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02-07-2024 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
Keep trolling about mod policy in this thread and you better keep that note.
I was trying to troll Victor there, not you.
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02-07-2024 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
Zionists, but in this thread especially Mets, do not give a single solitary **** about lgbtq Palestinians, and the feigned concern for their human rights would be laughable if it wasn’t so morally ****ing repugnant. What disingenuous exploitative garbage.
Maybe so, but that doesn't make it untrue. I really have never understood why anyone who supports the rights of women could not be completely anti-Islam.
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02-07-2024 , 01:54 AM
I’m anti all theistic religions
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02-07-2024 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
I’m anti all theistic religions
I am as well, though some modern religions are more violent and more threatening to the rights of certain people than others. I have considered myself anti-religion in general for a long time, though Buddhism may have some redeeming factors, and I'm not too worried about the possible spread of Jainism.
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02-07-2024 , 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
Keep trolling about mod policy in this thread and you better keep that note.
Is the same logic of allowing Victor to say over and over that i like babies being murdered just because i don't feel like writia 30 page dissertation disputing it. So i don't think he's trolling mod policy

Anyone who supports Palestine supports persecution of gay people
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02-07-2024 , 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Maybe so, but that doesn't make it untrue. I really have never understood why anyone who supports the rights of women could not be completely anti-Islam.
Nobody is arguing that these muslim states don't have the right to a state . Or to self determination. That only applies to Jews apparently
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02-07-2024 , 07:19 AM
"Saudi Arabia: no Israel ties without recognition of Palestinian state"

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...an-2024-02-07/

https://archive.is/bfQk2
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02-07-2024 , 07:22 AM
I doubt if in principal most Israelis would have a problem with a Palestinian state. It's that whole river to the sea thing that throws a spanner in the works.
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02-07-2024 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
I’m anti all theistic religions
do you think fervently theistic religious people, in great numbers, are a threat to a society?
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