Israel is not targeting Hamas. they are targeting civilians. its really that simple. so I suppose the charitable view would be that the supporters of this continued war are brainwashed and ignorant.

It's not like WWII ended with the killing of every Axis soldier.

Seems like they're about there in the north, anyway.

You don't know much then. Of course I give him credit. I've talked about Camp David positively before and it's practically a theme with me that people can change and that peace can be made with people you might not expect.

I cannot imagine putting your important military operations in a hospital. This is why you don't do that. Hamas is full of cartoon villains.

did they embed Hamas in the incubators with the babies?

They had tunnels under the hospital and they operated out of the hospital. This is a fact you're going to need to deal with. It's horrific the what Israel did in this war, but the causal point for all of this death and agony is the actions of Hamas.

If there was no 10/7 then there would be no invasion. If the command centers were under commercial districts then the hospitals would have been better off. If Hamas surrendered then the future would be better.

Well, it did end with the losing side giving up their territorial ambitions and quit fighting.

Like I said before, given all the land they have been able to keep and all the conquered people whose cultures they erased; and only losing back Persia, Iberia and now Israel; the Arab Muslim colonizers made a very good show for themselves overall. Nothing to be ashamed of.

Completely eradicating Coptic Christian Egypt and turning it into a completely Arab Muslim entity was a very impressive feat just in itself.

Israel killed like 4k palestinians during the last era of peace


You think that was ok for them?

Although you desire a cease fire now, you believe the Palestinians have the right to restart hostilities in a surprise attack at the time and place of their choosing, giving their legitimate grievances? Correct?

gonna need some proof for that. not some videos of Hamas members getting treatment for themselves or hostages. not some accounts from 2014 of buildings around the hospital being used.

its very telling that Israel blew up the supposed tunnels and command center without letting in third party investigators.

but all that does not really matter. these babies were not collateral damage from a firefight or missile strike. Israel literally forced their caretakers, who were not Hamas, to leave the hospital so that the babies died of exposure. Hamas had nothing to do with that. they could be running all their operations from underneath the hospital and there was no reason to murder those babies.

I vaguely remember you posting propaganda a few weeks ago they all died because the electricity had been cut off.

I did not post that. someone else did.

at Shifa 10 or 15 died and the rest were evacuated I think, not sure. this tweet is from a different hospital. it is very hard to keep track of all the hospitals that Israel has attacked.

and this exposes caseclosed ignorance again, which I did not pick up on the first time. this was a different hospital. it was a childrens hospital. Al Nasr and not Al Shifa.

Some honesty in there are least. "I believe in collective punishment"

There hasn't really been an era of peace per se

Hamas has fired rockets at Israel throughout

Maybe. At this point more than 60000 buildings have been damaged or destroyed. More than half the schools and about half the housing. Odds for any building getting hit are pretty good.

No. I don't think I claimed it was.

You've seen the proof. It's been posted many times in this thread.

1. that supposed proof was bunk and easily debooonked.

2. that was a different hospital than the one I just posted about

your ignorance, and racist motivated credulity shows in every post.

That's true. The destruction the Israeli army unleashed was horrific. I don't want to minimize that. I just think the cause of why this war happened falls on Hamas. It does not absolve Israel of any wrongdoing. I just think it's important to note that Hamas made a lot of choices to make this as horrific as possible for their people.

honestly, are you a child? did you give your account to a little cousin at some point? You've been posting here for 20 years. So you have to be like 30 years old by now.

The causal point for the Arab-Israeli conflict was 10/7/2023? Really?

Israel had reached a point where the were granting work permits to gazans to come to Israel every day to work.

Most legitimate israeli palestenian issues appeared to be in the West Bank

Then October 7 happened

sounds like you just got pwnt

Trolly is correct. For example, there is this:



or, if you want to go back further in antiquity:

(An image of Saladin conquering Jerusalem)

Was there any proof of a command center under the hospital? Not even sure what that is in this context to be honest. Tunnels yes, but that’s not proof of people maintaining a fixed position there. I saw that clip of bathrooms and a kitchenette. Also some empty room that I don’t know if Hamas built or if that was a shelter Israel had made when they controlled the area. All in all it seemed far less than it was hyped up to be and no real evidence that this was some sort of crucial central node in their operation.