I can just as easily say thinking X is false is dumb.

Not really, no. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Not believing extraordinary claims is the default logical position; believing them without said evidence is dumb.

IN US case they are killing for Haliburton and Lockheed Martin shareholders... Holy War is a good excuse to rile up the God Fearing base.

and never claimed moral superiority, that was point of PLO hand analogy. Just dumb religion got in this dumb spot w this dumb maniac and now we have to go war and hope BLM/AOC faction doesn't kneecap our response.

But as long as there is Islam and the Quran they are always coming and unless we abandon Israel and our religion we will always have to defend ourselves.

So anyone who believes in God is dumb bec. dude on internet who uses really big words thinks so. Okay bro.

Half right. They're dumb, but not because I think so. My thoughts on the matter don't have the magical power to make people believe stupid ****, unlike ancient books of fairy tales, which apparently do.

All your definitions kind of collapse on themselves so you can congratulate yourself on your lack of belief.

No, you don’t have to go to war. That’s the point. Everyone is acting as if there is no other option than war just as they did after 9/11. You will never get rid of religious extremism but killing more innocent people is going to create more extremism, not less. This is going to result in more dead Israelis in the future so it’s completely counterproductive and pointless beyond bloodlust.

"Lack of belief" is a meaningless phrase. I submit to you that you also "lack belief", I just "lack belief" in one more god than you do. Once you can explain why you don't believe in the thousands of other possible gods, you'll understand why I don't believe in yours.

I don't need to "lack belief" in god any more than I need to in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny to know that they don't exist either. It's just a common sense default position.

also metagame deterrent.

They kill 1200 of us. We raze a few dozen villages and get 30K bodies, maybe they think twice before the next pogrom.

Also at end of day. Belief of Likud/current ruling party is Islam wants Jews dead. Until we are all dead they are always coming.. We're not gonna placate them or give them rights or turneth the other cheek into them loving us or not trying to kill us.

good Interview here. Israeli Family that sent their Kids to progressive schools with Arabs and taught them Arabic and to all get along got massacred by Hamas..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWuDLI50pvM&t=15s

Israel had a President Rabin once who took more of your position but then a Yeshiva Bachur named Yigal Amir put a bullet in his head and we turned more down the Bibi door...

Fair point really, Belief in God is inherently illogical and requires the burden of proof which by its nature is impossible to provide.

I guess I'm dumb. you got me.

Which is all fine and dandy really, as long as all it involves is going to church or a synagogue or a mosque and talking to your imaginary friend in the sky. But that's not all it involves, people have been through history and still are killing each other over this dumb ****.

tough to argue in favor of My side because I clearly have a vested interest, But if there was a legit ceasefire we would never break it because we don't need them at all and they would always break it because Killing Jews in the Holy Land is at the core of Islam.

FWIW, I'm a Jew by birth, although obviously not by religion as you can tell. I have distant family living in Israel.

It's clearly not a deterrent. It is pointless killing that only serves to create more people willing to die for revenge in the future. Decades of a boot on the neck of Palestinians and asymmetric casualties didn't stop Saturday's attack. Leveling Gaza is not going to get you less dead Israelis in the future but improving the lives of Palestinians might. Who's going to be more willing to die in a holy war, someone whose family and freinds have been killed, lives in crumbling infrastructure, is constantly humiliated, and has no hope for a better future or someone who has a decent standard of living, family and friends and things to look forward to? It's not rocket science. You won't totally erase extremism but if you actually want less dead Israelis more of the same isn't the right strategy.

All countries are made up

US Fire Bombed Afghanistan for 20 years and zero planes were hijacked and flown into buildings for those 20 years so maybe it is somewhat of a deterrent.

Imagine if all the Jews in the Middle East moved to a completely safe Island in the Pacific Ocean, and all Muslims in that region moved to a completely safe Island 5,000 Miles away in the Atlantic Ocean.

In 50 years, which of those Islands who be a flourishing Modern economy, and which of those islands would be a barren shithole?

and the danger of this escalating is huge. I dont know if the hawks in israel think that's a good thing but i'm pretty sure hamas would be delighted.

There's already some minor stuff with lebanon but iran will be the big 'prize'. This could easily be the start of a very major war

That's not a result of deterrence, just better security and/or lack of reach from extremists. There have been several smaller scale incidents in the U.S. since 9/11 and many larger incidents and newly spawned terrorists in the middle east as a direct result of U.S. actions.

If we were only nice to them after 9/11 they would have put away that mean Quran and learned to Code.

Not a guarantee but those suicidal war-crime loving Japanese did exactly that after WW2. Germany sure changed its tune on the Jewish people. But keep advocating for the thing that has never worked and never will work.

Depends on the natural resources of said islands

Assuming Identical resources.

Cuz they're celebrating the wholesale murder of civilians and whooping at bodies being paraded through the streets of Gaza that's why. That's hate, plain and simple. And by celebrating such things they're a party to such hatred. Which makes taking the moral high ground pathetic, contemptible and it would be laughable if not against such a backdrop.

Furthermore Hamas' goals are effin ridiculous. In their own charter they state:
Newsflash- that's never ever gonna happen and it's utterly delusional of them to think it will. Israel are going nowhere and will never cease to exist to appease Hamas or anyone else. Such aims by Hamas further highlights their anti Semitism. They don't want a two state solution and don't want to share. They won't be happy until every Jew is dead, simple as that.
And again they're delusional and how some from the far left can cheerlead them and attempt to portray them as righteous freedom fighters is despicable and also delusional.

And I'm not saying I agree with everything the IDF does or think Israel's infallible either. But they absolutely have a right to exist and are far more preferable than the likes of Hamas or Hezbollah, regardless of how many of the far left hate them. That's the bottom line.

Why haven't they hosted elections since? Seeing as they believe in freedom so much?