I do appreciate the rhetorical and logical jui jitsu being employed, everytime a progressive declares the Palestinian population, which has doubled in the last few years, is being genocided; and having nothing to say about the actual historical communities of Christians and Jews across the Middle East, which lasted for millennia, that have been completely or almost completely eradicated.

this can be said about both sides right now.

Since you had the post before Bill's, I'm assuming you're replying to him, but I don't see anything about a genocide.

every conservative accusation is an admission. would you not say this is exactly the case for conservatives in America in regards to systemic racism, affirmative action, and discrimination towards African Americans. conservatives are "get over slavery it was so long ago" about something that was 150 years ago and you're in here about "millennia".

Gaza is basically going to be removed. It's been openly stated, essentially now. Palestinian civilians vs Israeli doesn't seem to be their concern.

The Israeli author Avi Shlaim came from one of these communities. He's an Iraqi Jew whose family was driven out in the wake of the Nakba.

You should read some of his work.

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/thr...=9780861544639

How about we hold Israel to the standard we hold Russia in Ukraine?

And yet at the end of the day the Iraqi Jewish community that thrived for over a thousand years is no more. And no one ever will offer him or any of the rest of the descendants of survivors any right of return. He has to just make the best with the lot he was given, and no liberal white saviors thousands of miles away will be shedding any crocodile tears for him.

If you are unaware of the actual genocides of Jews and Christians throughout the Middle East in recent history (where the populations literally went to 0) you should probably read some history. I know it isn't something progressives bring up very much, because it isn't convenient to the narratives.

I do appreciate Hayword's sporadic forays into this forum, because even if he does hold the Israeli Jew to some impossible moral standard he would never impose on anyone else, he at least understands the history of the region (much more than me) unlike most progressives, who know nothing but their chosen propaganda.

If the Ukranian govt had made it their official position they would fight Russia until Russia ceased to exist, and then spent 20 years doing their best to fulfill this claim, including multiple instances of deadly violence aimed at Russian civilians, I guarantee our position towards the Russia/Ukraine conflict would be very different.

We are all glossing over the part one of the parties in this conflict has made genocide their explicit, desired end, and through practice is becoming increasingly better at achieving it.

Apologies to the liberal Mods for my breach of decorum in this thread. Pogroms bring out an honesty in me that troubles more effete sensitivities.

It is a complicated Matter and I don't begrudge the Muslims for their actions. True Believers have to act in accordance with their faiths and sometimes counterparties have to put the money in the middle.

I will refrain from advocating for race specific Biological warfare, or from implying that not all lives are created equal going forward.

I thank the more levelheaded members of this forum for maintaining a respectful and productive discussion.

PS those carpet-bombings in Gaza were pretty ****ing cool

AM YISRAEL CHAI.

Hamas wasn't created until the 1980s. What was the excuse for the original Nakba, the expulsion of 750,000 Palestinians in 1948? That was before even the PLO was created.

Speaking of the PLO, it recognized the Jewish state years ago. What's the excuse for continuing to occupy, and annex, the West Bank? All the PLO did was give up the struggle and become an arm of Israeli security. In return, they got continued occupation instead of a state.

You are engaging in the hoary trope that all Muslims, by nature, want to destroy Israel. Look, the Arabs who were not expelled, 20% of Israel, are not at war with Israel. Only the ones confined to the Gaza ghetto and West Bank are. It's the occupation.

That's really crappy of them considering the Gazans had a common courtesy to beat on safe room doors before breaking in and butchering kids.

I am not assigning Israel any moral high ground. If I was king of the world in 1948 I would have chosen to have things go very differently. I dont approve of the settlements in the West Bank. But given current realities, especially the last 2 weeks, I dont think anyone should be surprised or appalled at how Israel is acting towards Gaza. And I couldn't think of a single country, especially a Muslim majority one, that would be acting in a more "moral" fashion by your standards.

I mean as far as I know Israel has much less hanging of gay people and oppressing women than the rest of the Middle East, but as far as the "Apartheid" angle goes, it doesn't seem too different than the rest of the countries in the region. I mean if you put the names of all the Middle Eastern countries in a hat and started pulling out tags randomly, how often would you pull out a country that respected civil rights of minority populations?

I definitely wouldn't say there is anything "natural" about it. There is a sophisticated anti-Israel propaganda machine doing all the heavy lifting IMO. But I dont think saying general opinion on Israel in the greater Muslim Middle East is EXTREMELY low right now is going way out on a ledge.

And I would definitely argue this low opinion is due to targeted propaganda, and not any philosophical commitment to human liberty and civil rights. You could argue Western majority opinions are due to targeted propaganda too, and you may be right. But that doesn't invalidate any point I am making.

You are truly bizarre if you thought my post said anything about my knowledge of history, or that it was a good opportunity for another rant about progessive narratives. The point was much simpler. The post before yours talked about apartheid, and your post following immediately afterwards took a leap to "everytime a progressive declares the Palestinian population, which has doubled in the last few years, is being genocided" blah blah blah. I quoted both posts for you and bolded the words; this isn't complicated. Your obsession with lecturing people about progressive mindset and MSM narratives is not only exceedingly dull, it's also impairing your reading comprehension.

do you think you are any different than the edgey leftists on twitter that were happy that tripping ravers got massacred?

we know where those bombs go and who they kill. and its a lot more than Hamas killed.

I was facetiously mocking Karl Marx post on here previously that got a pass from the liberal Mods. If we can't laugh then we cry.

All Life is sacred and all Death is Tragic.

AM YISRAEL CHAI.

and to answer your broader question, I see it is a PLO hand where Likud Bibi Torah Jews have top set and Muslims and edgy Leftists have Wrap w nut flush draw.. It's been this way since Rebecca's womb, the money just has to go into the middle. run it once, See who God Picks.

ya but if you are gonna celebrate Palestinian kids getting killed by bombs, then you cant really get upset about people loling at 18 yr old ravers getting killed by hangliding militants.

i have the solution to the middle east guys, i just thought of it. im the new jared kushner. cut all US aid to israel from here forward, and bring all the Palestinians to the US and we'll use that 3-4 billion a year or so to build them houses. hell we can build a whole city in like the panhandle of oklahoma. get them all citizenship.

No. I think most are concerned with it becoming biblically bad for Palestinians. They've basically been used, abused and abandoned by their own people being left to rely on the mercy of their enemy. Even Egypt won't take them although they'll probably allow for a refugee camp, which is what I'm guessing we'll see.

I never got upset. Lib Mods kicked me out because I committed a thought crime and said I valued Israeli Lives at 20X Palestinian Lives and that we owed them 20,000 Bodies, and for implying that Biological warfare might be an acceptable way to obtain those bodies if traditional warfare was less feasible. Liberals dont like discourse outside their proscribed guidelines so they censored me.... *Of course I value my 2+2 tourney life and wholeheartedly reject those silly notions now.

Palestinians are perfectly entitled to play their hand and value themselves 1000X more than Jews and try to push us all into the Sea or Butcher Infants and Teenage Girls on ecstasy. I don't think it is a particularly noble way to wage war, but feels like they are trying to bait Biden into supporting Israel for whatever reason..

Whole thing is scary and fascinating. I hope the book I was indoctrinated in from birth is right and I hope top set holds lol, but I could never begrudge the dude with the wrap for wanting to get there.

I'm good with that, but I think they have some weird attachment to the land they are on now and don't want to move.

Poker analogies aren't applicable to every world event

In your opinion oh Lib overlord, how should Israel handle 1200 of their Citizens being brutalized in a Pogrom?