This logic of some sort of equality of outcomes in here is both troublesome, and flawed. For starters it doesn't account for the fact that if the Palestinians COULD kill more, they would. As I've already explained to you at least once before, the wall has seen to the reduction of deaths on the Israeli side. So has the iron dome. The iron dome success rate is high 90%'s. We're talking WAY more than 10,000 rockets shot down by the iron dome since they made it. They've spent billions on the infrastructure, then each missile is 50k to boot. Do you think the Palestinians aren't trying their very best to get that death count up? Would it be better if they did? The orders of magnitude you speak of look at lot like the Vietnam war, or the Iraq war. This isn't particularly odd for war. (a 5, 10, 20 to 1 kill rate).

Since 9/11 the estimates are 4.5 million deaths in the wars after. 2,996 dead eventually leading to 4.5m more (data).
There is a massive cost in the blowbacks of these things. But don't believe for a second that you can go conflict to conflict and find it evens out. By the time it's all said and done, the Ukranians probably get slaughtered, specially per capita. And even moreso if the Republicans win next year.

You said the lines were clear. Can you please clearly explain them. You still haven’t said why 5500 Ps were killed. Are you saying they were all trying to kill Israelis when Israelis killed them? Please explain , you are not being clear.

No I said regionally, Israel is THE mega minority with Jews vs Muslims. And I said at 16m Jews, historically they too are one of the smallest most persecuted groups. That is what I said.

And if the water and electricity is off today, I think we know whom is actually to blame...

It’s illegal to turn off the water and electricity so you’re saying we should blame the Israelis?

If the basis of this thread now is trying to explain why those Palestinians are dead in this conflict, we're starting from further back than anyone sanely wants to go in this. I leave that homework to you.

Btw so you can see exactly where they died: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palest...ualties_of_war

The answer to most of your total is "the second intifada" and the Gaza war.

The 1600 civilian deaths since 2014 is something I don't know enough to comment on. But typically that's been collateral damage from artillery and air strikes (like in any combat zone).

the people that shut off the water and electricity.

Ok I will look that up and adjust my perspective.


What’re your thoughts on when Israelis bomb schools and kill 50 kids? This is different from the intifada

As you wish, I guess? That's one way to see it. Perhaps actions don't have reactions?

Who is responsible for choosing the reaction?

I have friends in some of these units, so I can tell you how they're trained. For a long while now they've dropped leaflets (less so now), used the phone systems, and performed roof knocking to evacuate people from targets. You'll have a really hard to finding other armies who do the same.

But despite that, and particularly given the density of the targets, people die.

Israelis aren't particularly stoked to kill kids, just as Americans weren't in Iraq or Afghanistan. Neverthless, many children died in those theatres of war too.

What's very rare though, is for Israelis to rush into Palestinian streets and music festivals, and just start randomly killing women and children without any military targets in mind. That however, just happened to Israel. And the world got to watch it on X.

If you can point me to the last country that didn't invade after something like what just happened, I'm all for learning about it.

So far this has been pretty measured, maybe almost weirdly so. Other countries might have reduced Gaza to dust.

Probably similar to what the sauds are
doing to the Jemenites.

Whose weapons are they using?
Are these US made weapons?

600k dead in the last Syrian war (with Russian weapons and mercs). People kind of cared for a little. Kind of.

Imagine it had been 600k dead Syrians using Israeli (and USA) weapons? People would have lost their minds. This is the bias we're dealing with.

You're not supposed to shut off water to people but you're also not supposed to bomb them. But they are doing it anyways.
Probably with our own weapons.

Palestinians killed 900 in one attack. You guys killed a bunch in a thousands of smaller attacks. Both sides are using civilians to defend military areas

"Jews vs Muslims" is babybrain nonsense. The Muslim world is not some unified force hellbent on destroying Israel. Also, Israel is an extremely close ally of the most powerful nation that's ever existed. You don't get to chuff about how persecuted Israel is and then handwave away the Palestinians who effectively live in a prison camp.

Yemen says hi

You know why.
Israel takes a zero tolerance approach to attacks. You have enough discos, buses and pizza shops blown up public opinion eventually elects governments with these policies. Personally I don't like it but can understand the logic/motivation but hard to argue it doesn't eventually lead to the current situation.

"The Israel Electric Corporation (IEC) supplies most of the electricity in the Palestinian territories. "

It's probably not illegal to stop supplying electricity, food, water, etc. to the people you're at war with.

Well said.

Prob illegal if you keep those people as prisoners in occupied territory

It makes more sense when you realise that victor's policy is West (especially AmeriKKKa) bad, everyone else good, forever and ever Amen. Which includes, Putin's Russia, Iran and anyone else who isn't of the Evil West.
And after the first 17 million examples of this, you'll find it a lot less fascinating, trust me on that one.

He didn't say Israelis he said Jews and historically Jews have faced far more persecution than Palestinians.
And I think cutting off water is obscene btw, but focus on what was actually said and its context instead of your usual glib interpretations.

Ayo Sklansky these flags won't update themselves, we're waiting for who to stand with here.

What’s more important , making sure kids have water , or hurting terrorists ?