btw if we're also going to talk power struggles, let's talk this

https://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/2...ot-rich-quick/

The amount of money that Hamas leadership has made on the back's of their citizens is insane. It's something that really never gets talked about. This war is also a BUSINESS. And perhaps for both sides. But it requires acknowledging that maybe some people on both sides are making way too much money to want it to stop (even if everyone else does).

But when the water and electricity turn off in an effort to force the return of the 130+ hostages, just remember there's BILLIONS in cash not being spent on saving their people in that moment. They NEED them to suffer for the headlines.

So what happens if Israel erases Gaza? Will you say oh it doesn’t matter because that’s not what they wanted to happen?

Where does the right to exist come from? Does Palestine have a right to exist?

Palestinians seem to be a smaller, more persecuted group right now.

Are you saying Israel would turn the electricity and water back on if they were paid billions of dollars by hamas?

And what I'm trying to explain is that

1) That is a rather silly and imperfect methodology the left invented in the last 10 years to define who is worthy of support. See my black vs LGBTq2s+ comment with the bizarre (lack of) power ladder nobody can actually practically apply in any logical sense in the world. If suddenly a micro group smaller than the Palestinians showed up, would the Palestinian plight be invalid? No of course not. Israel's struggle to exist is still very real by this very logic.

2) When you stack up the power and influence of all the agents helping fund the Palestinian cause, they are far less "small" than you might think. This attack for example was funded by Iran. Pretty big power. You don't launch 3000 rockets from nothing.

Point, you can always call the
Hezbollah Hotline, number is attached

No, you probably need to read my words again.

But I know what would turn the water and electricity back on instantly: the safe return of the 130...

Ask me that if it happens? I don't believe it to be a realistic outcome here until some kind of muslim WMD blows up in Israel (or something to that effect).

Gaza is not a prison. They even have amusement parks and a large coastline and are free to go anywhere.
They even live in Jerusalem and marry jews.

look:

The population of the Palestinian territories has basically doubled in 25 years. If anyone is trying to eradicate them, they're doing a pretty poor job of it.

Do you actually believe this?

Palestinians are everywhere, that is why. I once had a classmate from Palestine and she was PHAT= pretty hot and tempting. like a princess, everyone wanted to bang her.
Nobody is confined to Gaza imo. That is just a myth imo pointless is trying to spread. Palestinians live in the middle of Jerusalem too, right? and Just about anywhere. maybe it's like with the Jews, like a religion more than territory. But it's obvious they fight over territory and like with Ukraine you can't solve that problem.

Oh 100%, I know it. You must not be familiar with the previous trades Israel has made before to save their own. Go look what they traded for Gilad Shalit.

I feel like you're passionate about this subject, but you may be coming to the table a bit light on the history here. And I say that respectfully.

What would a normal population growth rate be after 25 years for a small population?
Were 900 Israeli civilians killed then too?

No idea what you're talking about here. But denying the existence of god is pretty normal. It's not really controversial to be honest about that.

I don’t think letting the people in Gaza open casinos is going to help.

They pretty much are confined, for the most part. There are 20,000 work permits in place (for a small fraction of the population) allowing daily travel through the cage-tunnel into Israel, but I don't know if those will be honoured at the moment. Netanyahu has been shelling out work permits apparently as a plan to strengthen Hamas at the expense of the rival Fatah authority led by Abbas in the West Bank, to divide and rule and so prevent any move to a Palestinian state.

That deeply inadvisable policy, which ignored the fact that Hamas is an Iranian proxy with no declared function but to kill Israelis, has not worked out too well.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-ye...-in-our-faces/

You Christians are always such kind and understanding people.

It's not trolling to say that which has to been proven or shown it's existence doesn't exist that is just simple logic. Maybe these values you speak of aren't Christian values but human ones

wait, are you saying that a Western style country is arming militant fundamentalists at the expense of more secular and broadly appealing parties? crazy. never heard of such a thing.

Doesn't sound like Bibi is interested in negotiating.

They're bombing the crap out of each other.

At least 750 are dead on the Israeli side. WTF
even the reporter can't keep track and calls the Israelis Ukrainians and then corrects himself quickly.

Smooth transition from the war in Ukraine. Zele can't be amused.
If this continues, he keeps playing second violine, right?

You know of all the comments in this thread, this one I really keep coming back to.

The literal axis, the literal group of allies is Russia-Iran-Palestians (and others). The flow of money, weapons, crypto, aid, political power, all of it.

Yet you've managed with some interesting mental gymnastics, to totally skip past that. I just find that fascinating. I don't even cast any judgement, and I just find it super interesting, if not perhaps a bit troublesome.

The Russians are like "don't mess with our guys" and you manage to come at this from "Israel is Russia in this spot".

Pretty eye opening.

To me the lines here are very clearly drawn between sides.

What have the Ps done to deserve 5k civilian deaths in last 17 years while Israel lost 250?

Maybe if you add up 911 and the Bali bombings etc you end up even. idk.
How many of the 911 perpetrators were Palestinians? heh? sherlock.

What on Earth are you babbling about? If you’re going to claim that Israel is the most persecuted nation on Earth, it should be pointed out that Palestinians live under their thumb in a modern penal colony, currently without electricity or water.