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10-09-2023 , 06:54 PM
Newsweek says you’re wrong. Sorry your president enjoys helping our enemies. I knew this all along. The writing has been on the wall the entire time
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10-09-2023 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Yeah no ****. thanks, I thought they only celebrate everywhere in Europe like in my city here. They celebrate like they won the soccer worldcup. yeah. and police is standing by and wonders wtf they can do and they can do nothing.

Pointless, you have no Arabs in your neighbourhood, right? Then you don't see the celebrations they are having now.
Very large population of people in your demographic around where I live. I haven't seen anything remotely like a celebration.

I dont doubt there will be some celebrating and that a rise in hate crimes both ways is almost inevitable. That's nothing like even small scale celebrations.

Last edited by chezlaw; 10-09-2023 at 07:03 PM.
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10-09-2023 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Newsweek says you’re wrong. Sorry your president enjoys helping our enemies. I knew this all along. The writing has been on the wall the entire time
Makes sense if you don't think about it. Also, he was everyone's President. Hate to be the bearer of bad news
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10-09-2023 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by wreckem713
Trump will clean up this mess. Never would have happened with him at the helm
TDS

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Trump gave the Russians intel which they gave to Iran which Iran gave to Hamas in order for this attack to transpire.
TDS
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10-09-2023 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by andre006
Ayo Sklansky these flags won't update themselves, we're waiting for who to stand with here.

I don't know what you are saying regarding flags. I will say that in my previous post where I said that accepting collateral civilian killings is almost as bad as purposely killing, I was not including rape and torture in that analysis since I don't believe collateral rape and torture is a thing.
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10-09-2023 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
I don't believe collateral rape and torture is a thing.
What on earth do you mean by that?
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10-09-2023 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
. Because that will definitely lead to WW3.
This statement has been written millions of times and it is never correct if it is meant literally regardless of whatever words proceed it. "Definitely" is ridiculous as is "probably". Even "possibly" is farfetched. Thank Edward Teller, my father's professor Lise Meitner, and a few others.
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10-09-2023 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
TDS



TDS
Time doesn't stop?
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10-09-2023 , 07:21 PM
you both have Trump Derangement Syndrome
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10-09-2023 , 07:22 PM
can some people with better knowledge explain the blockade that Israel has had on the Gaza strip for the last decade ?

How does it work , what is the goal of it ?

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10-09-2023 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by wazz
What on earth do you mean by that?
I will break with my usual non explanation of oddly written posts because of the seriousness of the subject. What I meant was that while the rationale for purposely killing innocent people to prevent innocent deaths not purposely caused, has some validity, you can't really extend that to there being a valid rationale to purposely raping or torturing them. Those actions don't mirror the actions that have been perpetrated on them.
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10-09-2023 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
you both have Trump Derangement Syndrome
you have wreckless assumption syndrome. Like your silly little post about my RV parks. After I clarified, you just moved on without having the cajones to walk back your obvious misstep.
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10-09-2023 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Very large population of people in your demographic around where I live. I haven't seen anything remotely like a celebration.

I dont doubt there will be some celebrating and that a rise in hate crimes both ways is almost inevitable. That's nothing like even small scale celebrations.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...sites-schools/
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10-09-2023 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Are you saying Hamas, the illegal terrorist organization should be held to the same standard as the legal Israeli govt?
No, just that I'm not holding Israel to higher standards than I'd hold ourselves to under similar circumstances.
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10-09-2023 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
More mental gymnastics, and I'm trying to say that as respectfully as I can. But that's what they are.

After the atrocities of the last few days, huge portions of the Muslim world CELEBRATED. I live in a mild mannered neighbourhood here in Canada. Fireworks IN MY HOOD. Can you imagine?
Sounds terrifying (fireworks! in ALL CAPS!!!), but that doesn't support any of your idiotic assertions.
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10-09-2023 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by wreckem713
you have wreckless assumption syndrome. Like your silly little post about my RV parks. After I clarified, you just moved on without having the cajones to walk back your obvious misstep.
I don't remember that post but I don't think you would like my ideas about landlords and I don't think you chave the ability to persuade me to think differently.

Regardless, back on topic, thinking Trump would stop this is indeed deranged.
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10-09-2023 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Trump gave the Russians intel which they gave to Iran which Iran gave to Hamas in order for this attack to transpire.
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Originally Posted by wreckem713
No
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Newsweek says you’re wrong. Sorry your president enjoys helping our enemies. I knew this all along. The writing has been on the wall the entire time
Let's take a look at said article: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...attack-1833094

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In May 2017, the former president defended his actions after he was found to have discussed sensitive details about an alleged Islamic State (ISIS) plot with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Ambassador Sergey Kislyak in the Oval Office. Trump said he had an absolute right to do so. The intel was said to have been provided to the U.S. from Israel.


It was suggested at the time that the former president's handing over sensitive information from Israel could have damaged the relationship between the two countries. It also could have raised the possibility that the details could be passed from Russia to Iran, the Gulf nation that is a fierce adversary of Israel and has long supported Hamas.

On Saturday, Hamas, designated a terrorist group by the U.S. and the European Union, launched a large-scale attack against Israel, resulting in the deadliest day of violence in the Israel-Palestine conflict for decades. More than 700 people have been killed in Israel, and a further 400 in Gaza, since the incursion by Hamas, according to the Associated Press.
Hmmm. So he disclosed these details over 6 years ago and just now we're seeing Hamas use the sensitive information. I guess Hama is really slow to plan and Israel hasn't changed their defenses much in all that time. Interesting.

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On social media, a number of people believe that Trump's handing over of Israeli information may have resulted in Iran assisting the Palestinian group.
Well, that's pretty damning.

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Thom Hartmann, author and political commentator, posted on X, formerly Twitter, while sharing a 2017 article from The Washington Post: "Hamas apparently knew how to get around Israel's Iron Dome defenses. They probably learned this from Iran. Iran almost certainly got the information from Russia. And who gave it to Russia? Sure looks like it was Donald Trump, at the request of Putin."
This is some hard hitting journalism. Real Woodward and Berstein stuff going on at Newsweek.

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Allison Gill, who tweets using the account for the Mueller, She Wrote podcast, added: "Don't forget: Trump gave Israeli intelligence to Russians in the Oval Office 6 years ago. Putin armed Iran in exchange for drones to attack Ukraine."
Someone "who tweets" reminds us about something (not sure what) Trump gave to the Russians 6 years ago. Trump. This case keeps getting more and more solid.

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"This isn't hard to follow," added musician and author Mikel Jollett. "Trump gave military intel to the Russians. The Russians, who are extremely close allies with Iran, gave it to Iran. Iran gave that information to Hamas. Hamas used it to attack Israel. This is why intel security matters. Republicans DO NOT CARE."
Now a musician is jumping in to let us know its not just Trump at fault, but the Republicans. More damning evidence, I mean assertions, piling up here.

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"We have not yet seen evidence that Iran directed or was behind this particular attack, but there is certainly a long relationship," Blinken added.
Rut roh. The guy in a position to know, who has an incentive to blame Trump, says there isn't evidence yet Iran was directly involved. It was really looking solid for your side until the end there.
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10-09-2023 , 09:58 PM
people are saying. lots or people are saying. people on twitter, lots of them.
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10-09-2023 , 10:00 PM
For the safety of my family I guess the discussion ends here for me. Kind of a sign of the times. I do wish you all well and I hope we can all figure this out together.
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10-09-2023 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
For the safety of my family I guess the discussion ends here for me. Kind of a sign of the times. I do wish you all well and I hope we can all figure this out together.
I wish you and them nothing but the best. I've enjoyed your posts on the topic as I think they've been at least a touch more balanced than some others, even though it's clear where your sympathies lie.

I'm actually a little surprised how many people ITT are firmly in one camp or the other on the bigger Israel/Palestine issue.
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10-09-2023 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Sounds terrifying (fireworks! in ALL CAPS!!!), but that doesn't support any of your idiotic assertions.
I'm receiving IRL threats from 2p2'ers Trolly. I think maybe you can start to get a bit of a sense that this situation may be a bit more complex than you might think. Wish you well, maybe on another issue we'll see more eye to eye.
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10-09-2023 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I wish you and them nothing but the best. I've enjoyed your posts on the topic as I think they've been at least a touch more balanced than some others, even though it's clear where your sympathies lie.

I'm actually a little surprised how many people ITT are firmly in one camp or the other on the bigger Israel/Palestine issue.
i am on no camp on this issue as i see both sides being at fault.

Hamas being barbaric with their methods vs Israel more methodical way of killing each other does not make one side better.

Israel has the military power on this , so Hamas tactic does not make sense.

I blame the Brits and whoever was in power at the time thinking the 2 state solution was going to be peaceful.



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10-09-2023 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
I'm receiving IRL threats from 2p2'ers Trolly. I think maybe you can start to get a bit of a sense that this situation may be a bit more complex than you might think. Wish you well, maybe on another issue we'll see more eye to eye.
Fack them
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10-09-2023 , 10:28 PM
and its horrible rafiki is being threatened here for his views.



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10-09-2023 , 10:38 PM
Thanks guys. Filled out an online hate crime report, and that's all you can do. It's tough because we're all so charged. My family made it to Cyprus today on an emergency flight out, they were in bomb shelters for days. So it's pretty surreal wanting to just talk about it and receiving IRL threats. We all have things to say, both sides. I hope there can one day be a better peace than this.
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