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10-25-2023 , 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
"I like victor, so it's okay that he calls you a nazi Mets because i don't like you. "
I didn't say it was ok. I just didn't say it wasn't. Are you like one of these college brats who thinks everyone is obligated to denounce everything? You guys remind me of The Cultural Revolution.
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10-25-2023 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
You are the obvious antisemite but call me a Nazi?

Thatvis right out of Putin's playbook when he calls Zelenskyy a Nazi

Just wow
You’re right. 100% right. Zelensky isn’t a Nazi , he’s a Nazi commander. He has direct control over a Nazi brigade , this isn’t even debatable , it’s a fact.

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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
If the evangelicals didn't support Israel, it likely wouldn't exist. Whether they support Israel for selfish reasons that have nothing to do with liking Jews is irrelevant to me

If i did get expelled at least i would have Israel to go to. Why will nobody accept the Palestinians?
Nobody will accept them cause Israel will bomb them if they do. Just like if I say Israel is bad I am being antisemitic; if you help the Palestinians, Israel is gonna say you’re helping terrorists.


Who has killed the most civilians in the last 30 days btw?
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10-25-2023 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
There's 2.4 million living in 140 Square miles in awful living conditions. I'm confident many would want to immigrate to Egypt or Jordan. And there is room for them. But neither country will take them, even as temporary refugees during a war

And why the **** does it get your giat who jews support? Jews have to be democrats? Jews have to hate Trump? Maybe they support Trump for economic reasons?

Nah it gets your goat. Those jews should hate Trump! Maybe they are nazi jews like you think i am
Expelling people sucks. Stop pretending it doesn't.

And yeah, Jews should hate Trump. He's an actual antisemite. Did you notice the tiki torch Trump parade?
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10-25-2023 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
You’re right. 100% right. Zelensky isn’t a Nazi , he’s a Nazi commander. He has direct control over a Nazi brigade , this isn’t even debatable , it’s a fact.



Nobody will accept them cause Israel will bomb them if they do. Just like if I say Israel is bad I am being antisemitic; if you help the Palestinians, Israel is gonna say you’re helping terrorists.


Who has killed the most civilians in the last 30 days btw?
More than half of Jordan's population is Palestinian. Is Israel bombing Jordan?
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10-25-2023 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
You’re right. 100% right. Zelensky isn’t a Nazi , he’s a Nazi commander. He has direct control over a Nazi brigade , this isn’t even debatable , it’s a fact.



Nobody will accept them cause Israel will bomb them if they do. Just like if I say Israel is bad I am being antisemitic; if you help the Palestinians, Israel is gonna say you’re helping terrorists.


Who has killed the most civilians in the last 30 days btw?

Who is using civilians as shields.

Who is trying to get civilians out of harms way

Who brought hostages into gaza with the sole purpose of trying to get Israel to kill civilians
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10-25-2023 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
Amazing statement from Turkish President Erdogan.
Paraphrasing, ' Hamas is a liberation group fighting to protect the people of Gaza'.
The PKK is a liberation group fighting to protect the people of Kurdistan would be my response.
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10-25-2023 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

Who brought hostages into gaza with the sole purpose of trying to get Israel to kill civilians
Hamas, so one wonders what objective is being achieved by bombing gaza and its civilians.
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10-25-2023 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by jbouton
Hamas, so one wonders what objective is being achieved by bombing gaza and its civilians.
Hamas likes Israelis to kill Palestinians and Likud likes Palestinians to kill Israelis. Everyone likes to feel needed.
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10-25-2023 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
More than half of Jordan's population is Palestinian. Is Israel bombing Jordan?
There are more Jews in the USA than in israel. Should Jews leave israel?
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10-25-2023 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
Who is using civilians as shields.

Who is trying to get civilians out of harms way

Who brought hostages into gaza with the sole purpose of trying to get Israel to kill civilians
Well this depends. Do you view people that have served in the military as civilians?
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10-25-2023 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
The PKK is a liberation group fighting to protect the people of Kurdistan would be my response.
Touché
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10-25-2023 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
ok I wasnt meaning to criticize Ukraine. I was just saying that it would not be right for Russia to kill a bunch of civilians with bombs on purpose bc if Ukraine did similar to Hamas. and I thought you would agree with that.
Israel is trying to destroy Hamas. There is not a good and clean way to do it. There isn't some road not taken they could go down that handles their problem without killing innocent people. That's why war is horrible.
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10-25-2023 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
There are more Jews in the USA than in israel. Should Jews leave israel?
Dumb answer

The reply i got was if Palestinians moved to jordan israel would bomb Jordan

That wasn't true

The answer to your question is if people are living in poverty anywhere and can move somewhere where they will have a better life and be accepted, they should likely move

Or at minimum, be allowed to
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10-25-2023 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Well this depends. Do you view people that have served in the military as civilians?
So you are asking if every Israeli civilian is fair game? Lol
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10-25-2023 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
So you are asking if every Israeli civilian is fair game? Lol
Do you view people that have served in the military as civilians? It’s a simple question

I’ll answer yours after you answer mine
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10-25-2023 , 09:59 AM
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If the evangelicals didn't support Israel, it likely wouldn't exist.
This is an absurd claim that really makes no sense at all.
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10-25-2023 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
Israel is trying to destroy Hamas. There is not a good and clean way to do it. There isn't some road not taken they could go down that handles their problem without killing innocent people. That's why war is horrible.
You can switch the names here and the excuses are the same.
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10-25-2023 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
The answer to your question is if people are living in poverty anywhere and can move somewhere where they will have a better life and be accepted, they should likely move

Or at minimum, be allowed to
I agree with the bolded and would love that to be applied to the US/Mexico border.
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10-25-2023 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls
You can switch the names here and the excuses are the same.
That's not a good way to look at anything. It's overly simplified and does not work. Look at things how they are.
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10-25-2023 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
This is an absurd claim that really makes no sense at all.
Yeah. It's ridiculous fear mongering. For one, the dems and everyone near power in the US supports Israel. For two, the evangelicals were not all/mostly Republicans until fairly recent times and he's suggesting their militarism saves Israel. Jimmy Carter was evangelical. For three, US did not supply huge amounts of military support to Israel until around 1973 (oil crisis is what did it not love of Israel). Israel was flying French planes they bought in the 6 day war. And now US military aid to Israel is only about 12% of their military budget.
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10-25-2023 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
That's not a good way to look at anything. It's overly simplified and does not work. Look at things how they are.
It looks like it's up to about 6000 Palestinians killed, about 2500 of them children.
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10-25-2023 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
It looks like it's up to about 6000 Palestinians killed, about 2500 of them children.
It's horrific stuff. I cannot imagine still holding onto a hostage while all of this is happening. To think that there are people in Hamas who could slow the bloodshed but they refuse for reasons I cannot begin to understand.
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10-25-2023 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
It's horrific stuff. I cannot imagine still holding onto a hostage while all of this is happening. To think that there are people in Hamas who could slow the bloodshed but they refuse for reasons I cannot begin to understand.
Israel has thousands of hostages tho? Does that bother you or nah
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10-25-2023 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
It's horrific stuff. I cannot imagine still holding onto a hostage while all of this is happening. To think that there are people in Hamas who could slow the bloodshed but they refuse for reasons I cannot begin to understand.
The bloodshed is the actual goal. We have 20 years of empirical data that Hamas doesn't care about Palestinian lives at all, and purposefully puts them in harms end to achieve political ends. What is so difficult to understand?

Like I have said before, it is a big mistake for WEIRD westerners to assume other people have the same moral principles and concerns they have. They don't.

Honestly, I think genuine concern for the well-being of other people's children is a luxury belief, and in a real hot war where their own children's lives were at risk, most Westerners would get over those concerns very quick.

That is why we shouldn't give in to the far left's vision of us devolving into petty, tribal, zero-sum game thinking. We will lose so much if we do. We aren't perfect, but we actually stand for something different (hopefully better). And we need to do better to resist the far left trying to take it all away.
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10-25-2023 , 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Israel has thousands of hostages tho? Does that bother you or nah
A bit over 2000 Palestinians held without charges iirc. And Israel doesn't consider them military. If they did, they would be prisoners of war and afforded rights they aren't given. They are just held. No charges. No lawyers. No trial. No sentence. Sometimes used to trade.
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