You still haven’t answered the question of HOW it would effect your opinion if you learned that Israel was not in fact a democracy

effect is noun and affect is the verb.
I made a mistake there.

How can I say how it affects that if I don't know what that is?

I'm all ears!

How could you? Well because the option is binary- isRael is either a democracy or they aren’t.

Imagine they aren’t


How does it affect/effect your position about Israel and Palestine ?

They obviously took the latter option.

The problem is now to make out the perps. They dont have a tattoo or something that marks them.

You not having a cite for their goal is lol btw. It's been stated over and over and over by them and it's pretty much common knowledge.

Americans live there and move there.
that tells us it's a democracy more or less. I dont think they should be moving there though.

Well they didn't bring this destruction to their people. Israel did.

Imagine Palestine not being a democracy.
They didn't have an election in 20 years. Israel is voting regularly. how is that not a democracy?

oof

It's really a different era in digital conflict

Can we agree that Israel would not be bombing and planning an imminent invasion if not for the actions of Hamas on 10/7?

They have been murdering and terrorizing Palestinians for decades. So no, I think the would continue that. They obv would not be bombing right this minute, but they would eventually, as they have for decades.

At this point, if Hamas "surrenders", which probably isn't even possible in that Israel will always think they are hiding out, Israel will continue its campaign of murder. All you need to do is actually listen to the things the Israeli officials are saying. They have been longing for this opportunity for years.

Do you think thousands of Palestinian children have been killed since this declaration?

As long as you agree that hamas predicted that response.

You think there would be this level of bombing and invasion without the attack?

So they murdered jews and took hostages back to gaza as part of a plan and didn't think Israel would Fight back? It's Israel's fault?

This can't be real life

Don’t forget UN said Hamas took fuel and medical supplies from them before deleting the post and changed story to supplies transferred to “partners”

Seems likely

“The relationship between Nazi Germany (1933–1945) and the leadership of the Arab world encompassed contempt, propaganda, collaboration, and emulation in some instances. Cooperative political and military relationships were founded on shared hostilities toward common enemies, such as the United Kingdom and the French Third Republic, along with communism, and Zionism.”

Both sides are wrong

No. Sklansky clarified, or pointed out the logic, what happened in Israel is horrible-it doesn't justify the killing of Palestinians.

So what should israel do in your estimation

Let the hostages die?

I hadn't heard anything about that!

My understanding is the point of sklansky was the difficulty doesn't change the morality.

That's laid before your question.

But kill Palestinian civilians until hamas gives the hostages is absolutely evil, Israel killing palestinians is what hamas expected as a response.

Here

What do you think Israel should do

I know I haven't answered....

I think its kind of a wrong question. I'm seeing the world different from you all right now. I don't think the coming global conflict is avoidable. I don't think that there is an elite in control. I think this is chaos.

I think that whatever the 2 sides are here, Israel and Hezbollah, or rather the west vs all else....is opening up. It will be our third try to move the world to a stable global monetary standard which means to be a VERY rocky event.

Otherwise my answers are Israel should have shifted policy some time ago etc, which is really a topic I have no business having an opinion on.

So I'm not very critical, just steadfast on the morality etc.