SOME water. Not THE water. 90%+ of the water Gaza controls.

Fact check finished. Carry on!

Good discussions y'all.

lies of omission are still lies

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/18/middl...-dg/index.html

No man. He's right. what disinformation is he spreading? It's all true.

The reason being that Israel knows there are idiots out there who don't believe anyone died and it's all a conspiracy. Also to show what happened. They are under constant attack. right now...So on one hand gaz are suffering on the other hand firing.. It's a mad house ruled by idiots.

It's a full circle of madness. You can't pick sides because it's so crazy.
Of course what happened now is inexcusable and shows you what's really going on. a big indicator. a huge huge indicator are really the atrocities committed by hamas. They are dealing with a complete different beast and most people don't get this. Imagine being constantly attacked with bombs and fearing for your life. whatever they're doing that won't change for the Jews, most likely.

Hamas knew that israel would respond by killing Palestinian civilians. Its what they wanted. Israel did it anyways.

Even if they gave Palestine more land. They would still do that until no more jew is left, right?

Source?

It's a full circle where you don't know where the start and the end is.

Israel did what anyways? They have to respond. of course it's all calculated. Palestine is just a placeholder for a lot of Muslim countries. They get used and abused. The suffering is desired for that reason. They can play victim. which they are not really. It's an desired illusion...

Hamas knew that Israel would responded by killing civilians. Its what they wanted. Israel abided.

Its a tell.

Omitting that Hamas took fuel away from hospitals and desalination plants can be fairly construed as a lie, yes.

They didn't abide there was no other move. It's like in chess you have to make certain moves. Not possible to go around them

lol that ain't no tell bro
What tell is this supposed to be?

The tell is that they want to kill all jews yes. but thats not a tell. only for you and a few others now who didn't know this.

I can find everywhere concerns from humanitarian agencies that Palestinians are in danger of dehydration, disease, and famine because of Israel's actions. I can't find the same that is stated that its actually Hamas.

What will a ground assault achieve that killing thousands of children doesn't or these children didn't die?

They are trying to prevent that but it's a challenge, have to take out military infrastructire now that is located in civilians houses. It's kill or be killed. Also called self defence.

I'd say they fall more into the "makes for strange bedfellows," than "sup bro?" at least with Hamas anyway. But that's tricky too. Plenty of Gazans want to get rid of Hamas, so we can't really say they're pro Hamas. Instead, they're anti-Israel and see Hamas as the only thing standing between Israel and their sovereignty. So they don't want to see Hamas defeated because with it goes their ideal of Palestine, which seems to be the predominant theme itt. Unfortunately, when the shooting starts, winning trumps truth and the next casualty of war is neutrality, where one is either "for" or "against." And so the ones still holding out up north are really aligned "against" Israel now, even if they were okay with a two-state solution before. So like those Gazans, I would expect "leftists in the West (and this thread)" to at the very least not want Israel to win.

The leadership of Hamas and Likud got into power by being hardliners. Conflict is in both of their interests.

I do wonder how Qatar will respond to all of this. I am inclined to believe Qatar was just handing Hamas blank checks and wasn't really aware of what they were up to. It is hard to believe that Qatar thinks the way things are going is in their best interests.

I dont think they can publicly do much other than to support Hamas, because Hamas has so much support in the Muslim world right now (this is of course in large part Qatar's own fault as their state funded Al Jazeera is responsible for a lot of the anti-Western/pro-terrorist propaganda that has inundated the Arab world for the last several years)

So I do wonder if they will quietly shift strategy away from supporting Hamas, now that they see what Hamas has actually been up to.

https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/s...20385696723395


Seems like a pretty stupid thing to do. Any move other than total surrender is going to cause civilians to die.

As long as Qatar Energy's biggest partners are Shell, Exxon, ConocoPhillips and TotalEnergies I think they'll be alright.

So a misfire "accidently" hit the hospital or what?

Somebody should calculate the odds on this. I do not believe this is possible. It's a very weird coincidence. I also don't believe that I hit a bullseye blindfolded when I spin around my own axis like crazy prior. The odds must be similar.

Is it true that this hospital has been hit 2 times before that incident?

even sanctions of Iran are impossible at the moment. too many countries have too many financial incentives.
all hypocrites. with Russia we "must" do this But not here.

I don't feel too confident about who hit it, but "the odds must be similar" is bad reasoning. It had to hit somewhere and in hindsight any accidental location would necessarily seem like a needle in a haystack. So, "bullseye" is begging the question.

USA interests are in favor of sanctions against Russia. Russia's biggest thing is the export of fossil fuels and USA/Western companies are not significant partners in that extraction or distribution. Sanctioning Russia just raises prices and opens opportunities for US/UK/French energy companies.

I read itt that this hospital had been targeted 2 times already.

Yes it had to hit somewhere. But why exactly this hospital. If the only buildings they had were hospitals, then yes. Some hospital should have been hit. But there are so many buildings that are not hospitals. If the hopital is one of let's say 50k buildings. Then the odds would be 50k to one.

Whatever building it hit the odds would have been 50k to 1 and yet it had to hit some building.