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Yeah. You can tell all the Hamas supporting govts are getting very upset. Egypt especially is getting really upset. They really are worrying this is the end of the extremely lucrative smuggling operations going on, mostly paid for by our tax dollars.

I suspect the Biden administration was getting a ton of pressure from Egypt to force Israel not to go into Rafah, which is why this took so long. But hats off to Biden for realizing this never gets better, and it only gets worse, if we acquiesce to the terrorist supporters. And for finally realizing all the negotiations were just complete bad faith; and the terror pipeline needed to be shut down regardless of the outrage of Hamas supporters.

How long should it take to clear Rafah of Hamas weapon stockpiles and hamas personnel?

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05-27-2024 , 09:58 AM

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Dont know how true it is, but reports of live fire between Israel and Egypt troops at the Rafah border crossing. Looks like Egypt is working with Hamas to do whatever it takes to get Israel out of Rafah and take back control of the smuggling tunnels and weapons depots.

Israel might also be getting too close to something important Egypt doesn't want them to find; maybe a major smuggling tunnel network.

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05-27-2024 , 10:01 AM

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How long should it take to clear Rafah of Hamas weapon stockpiles and hamas personnel?

They are reporting some of the tunnels are up to 15 stories deep. And possibly go underground deep into Egypt before they pop out. I am not sure such a task is even possible.

I also dont think Biden has given Israel the green light to do this. And may never. Way too much pressure from the international community, including much of Europe, that support Hamas.

The real tragedy is Hamas being defanged is the best hope for the Palestinian people to re-organize their society into something that could actually be functional in decades. But no one actually cares about the people (especially people like Sisi and Erdogan), they are just geopolitical pawns.

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05-27-2024 , 10:04 AM

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https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-803734

Knesset to hold preliminary vote designating UNRWA a terror organization
“Without a shadow of a doubt, the UNRWA agency proved on October 7 that it is a terrorist organization that is no different from the terrorist organization Hamas."

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05-27-2024 , 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Luciom

How long should it take to clear Rafah of Hamas weapon stockpiles and hamas personnel?

and of human detritus. Human remains don't clear themselves up you know.

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05-27-2024 , 10:14 AM

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This is true, but at the same time if the UNRWA wasn't fully on board with Hamas, they wouldn't be allowed to operate in Gaza in the first place. The same could be said for the all the "journalism" in Gaza.

So we have to acknowledge the real problem is how Gaza society is organized and controlled; and until this is addressed there is really nothing to do.

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05-27-2024 , 10:28 AM

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and of human detritus. Human remains don't clear themselves up you know.

Don’t miss Victor too much.

Victor jr. doing his part…

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05-27-2024 , 10:36 AM

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Did all the countries that stopped donating to UNRWA resume payments, or are there any which are still suspending payments?

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05-27-2024 , 11:05 AM

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Don’t miss Victor too much.

Victor jr. doing his part…

Do you have anything substantive to say here because anecdotal dross and personal attacks aren’t really doing it for you.

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05-27-2024 , 11:09 AM

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Don’t miss Victor too much.

Victor jr. doing his part…

Gs3737, you were given warnings about no content posting and personal attacks. Please take a timeout from this thread until 12:00 AM Eastern Time. Please do not disregard this message. Thanks, friend.

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05-27-2024 , 11:11 AM

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Did all the countries that stopped donating to UNRWA resume payments, or are there any which are still suspending payments?

Looks like everyone quietly resumed payments. Like I said, what choice is there? Hamas and their supporters know the West isn't going to let Palestinians go without aid, and they dont care if Palestinians dont get aid and suffer for it, so they have all the leverage to force the West to bend to their will.

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05-27-2024 , 11:16 AM

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Anecdotal rubbish = article that shows the massive rise of anti Semitism in England.

Of course, you ignored it, bc that’s your MO.

It was always there. The antisemites are just more animated and out in the open now. For anyone willing to stick their head out of the sand, this should be a sobering reality check how the rise of progressive leftism and Islamism is threatening western civilization itself. Antisemitism is the canary in the coal mine.

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05-27-2024 , 11:16 AM

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So that’s a temp ban, but jakfrezi calling me genocidal on the previous page is a-ok?? Noted…

I’ll see myself out.

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05-27-2024 , 11:18 AM

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I’ll remove myself from this thread too for the same time.

I’m sure Lucioms overt racism is just fine though.

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05-27-2024 , 11:33 AM

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Show me where you've criticised Israel's acts in Gaza and I'll apologise for mischaracterising you as a genocide-supporter, gs. I'm not waiting.

Jalfrezi, you almost made it friend. But alas, we are not using this thread to characterize one another anymore. Please take a break until 12:00 AM Eastern Time. Thanks.

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05-27-2024 , 11:40 AM

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Man we would have wasted a lot less time if I had known this from day one

Luciom, I can’t even begin to parse what you could mean by this but it’s not for this thread. Please take a break until 12:00 AM Eastern Time. When you return, the ethnicity debate is over. If you bring it back up again, there will be tempbans. The pussyfooting around racism is enough.

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05-27-2024 , 11:49 AM

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So that’s a temp ban, but jakfrezi calling me genocidal on the previous page is a-ok?? Noted…

I’ll see myself out.

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I’ll remove myself from this thread too for the same time.

I’m sure Lucioms overt racism is just fine though.

These posts are very childish. Please refrain from making more of these in the thread in the future. I am available via PM. Thanks, friends.

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05-27-2024 , 12:40 PM

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mainstream media has published complete falsehoods over and over about palestinian mass rape of israelis, iraqis killing kuwaiti babies in incubators, Iraqi WMDS, etc...

but notice how they NEVER post false stories about atrocities committed by USA and its allies

they usually don't even publish the true stories about USA atrocities... and when journalists do publish them, sometimes they put them in the jail for it

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05-27-2024 , 12:46 PM

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Can you cite some of these cases of the US journalists being put in jail for the publishing US atrocities?

I made a list myself but just want to see hoe many of thr same people we have.

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05-27-2024 , 12:49 PM

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What is your methodology for determining what is true?

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05-27-2024 , 01:38 PM

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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says the strike which killed scores of displaced Palestinians in Rafah was a "tragic mishap".

Mr Netanyahu told the Israeli parliament it was vital that Israel took "every precaution possible" to protect civilians caught up in the fighting in Gaza.

He told MPs that an investigation into the incident was under way, but insisted that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) had used their "best efforts not to harm those uninvolved" in the conflict.

The intervention comes amid increasing international condemnation of the strike, with the EU insisting that Israel follow a ruling last week by the International Court of Justice to stop attacks in Rafah.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjjj26d0eqxo

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05-27-2024 , 02:03 PM

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Can you cite some of these cases of the US journalists being put in jail for the publishing US atrocities?

I made a list myself but just want to see hoe many of thr same people we have.

my list is lame lol... i'm not super informed. but can come up with this list from just being mildly informed, and reasonably skeptical of media...

Daniel ellsburg
Julian Assange(Australian, and not technically in prison)
Chelsea Manning (not a journalist, but imprisoned for journalism)
Gary webb(not sure if he was imprisoned or just assassinated)

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What is your methodology for determining what is true?

lol

are you disputing the stories I mentioned were false? WMD, incubator babies, and mass rape?

these stories don't require any methodology to be known as fake

maybe "remember the Maine" story too, that got USA into another war... but idk if that one was ever universally proven to be BS

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05-27-2024 , 02:09 PM

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oh forgot about the super famous guy.... the one who is living in Russia right now cuz USA would lock him up forever if they could

also glenn greenwald is scared to travel, cuz he thinks USA would arrest him

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