The ICC does not agree with that interpretation of the Geneva Convention.

Yes but it’s a start

Can't emphasize enough that the incineration of Nagasaki isn't a great role model for other nations to follow. Neither is Russia's annexation of Ukraine nor the ethnic cleansing of North America's indigenous population.

Are we REALLY back to a Kibbutz being a military target? REALLY? this AGAIN?

Tell me you've never set foot on one without telling me you've never set foot on one.

On one Kibbutz, a senior got his head chopped off. After he died decapitated in front of his family, they burned him. What sort of military aim was going on here? What sort of resistance is that to walk into an agricultural village, take off people's HEADS by HAND, and then incinerate them with gasoline.

Look I don't know what it takes to remove a person's head by hand in front of his family. But it takes SOMETHING.

The entire idea of having rules about war is laughable. If they think their authority means anything, why don't they just completely outlaw war?

Imagine if an IDF soldier walked up to a Hamas prisoner. Removed his HEAD. By HAND. And then set his body on fire in front of some cameras. In front of his family.

Sorry but there's killing, and there's THAT.

Raffi seems to think there should be limits on targeting civilians, perhaps you two should confer and resolve this point.

Why in heaven's name would we need to have identical views. Do you and Victor?

I mean if you don’t want kibbutzes to be attacked as military targets then they should follow the rules that allow them not to be considered military targets.


pretty simple to me.

I mean they remove their arms by hand and they record it and it happens way more than here and there


Are you saying that the IDF and Hamas should be held to the same standard?

What in God's name do you think every Kibbutz has that classifies them as a military target? What is the magical item. A fence, a gate, a guard, and a radio uplink? You realize that's every gated community on the planet right?

Look man if your world view is that cutting off the heads of apple pickers makes sense, then I don't need any more convincing on what real darkness looks like. This is what real darkness looks like.

That wouldn't go well for Hamas, that much we know

Show your work

Yesterday I showed mine.

I live in a gated community. We don’t have phone lines to the military and we don’t keep ammo/weapons/ special vehicles here in case the military needs them. If anything happens to the military, my gated community will literally have nothing to do with it.

That is not the case in Israel and that’s what the Geneva conventions have ruled is permissible. If you use civilian infrastructure to support military operations then the infrastructure is a legal target as long as it’s proportionate


Sure holding Hamas to same rules as IDF wouldn’t go well for Hamas but it would go ten times worse for IDF.

The doctors have been blindfolding hundreds of Palestininas, they put them in diapers, make them sit in their feces and they handcuff them so tight their circulation is cut off and their arm must be removed .

I don’t feel like googling it. It was posted here a bunch of times. Thanks

The IDF routinely flattens schools and refugee camps with far less evidence than guards and radio uplinks.

You are literally talking about something you know absolutely nothing about. That much is very clear to me.

Every Israeli is 60 seconds from a rocket shelter (by design and law). Are they all military too? This thread is degrading into madness frankly. Israelis have to be 60 seconds from a bunker because of the volume of bloody rockets coming their way. I feel like this is some weirdo form of logical entrapment, lol. SEE THEY ARE MILITARY.

Trolly everything in Gaza is a refugee camp. Entire city blocks are "refugee camps". 75 years later.

That's part of the problem.

People think refugee camp and they think some tent city. But in Gaza, it's THE CITY. The same city Hamas launches rockets from. So we get into some very tricky territory.

These same folks from the Kibbutz were the ones driving Palestinians to doctor visits in Israel and helping them in other ways. These monsters took it out on innocent good people when what they hate is happening in the West Bank.

Btw PW, I urge you to be very careful with the dangerous and frankly shocking view of the world. If a guard and a gate on a Kibbutz is a "base", rockets being fired from a school is a BLANK

Filling in BLANK doesn't take much if you're going to try and drive this point home, which is about as toxic a point as I've seen on this site.

A Kibbutz is a hippie commune full of people who leave the regular world to be able to work on the land, or in a business with others. You don't own anything, you are basically part of a little commune. If you think that's an army base, and you want to angleshoot to make it so, you're treading into very scary territory.

Also, when they say "children" are being killed they are mostly referring to 16 and 17 year old's who are participating in the fighting. It's scary how many ignorant people have been brainwashed into thinking there is a genocide going on.

I lament that anyone that young has to die frankly. Hamas needs out specifically so that those kids have a better future.

Many comments in here are made out of ignorance. Although I do believe there are legitimate Jew haters in here I think many people are simply being spoon fed information that is out of context and they don't realize it.

I agree! The problem is the ignorant college kids protesting are under the impression that it is only little babies dying. The reality is that the vast number of deaths are enemy combatants. The little ones who are dying are 100% the responsibility of Hamas. Israel does everything it can to clear these areas of civilians. If they are shot at by a terrorist they are going to take out that area. Unfortunately Hamas forces innocent people to stick around and die with them. The Hamas goal is to kill as many Israelis and Gazan civilians as it can. The world better wake up.

There's nothing particularly tricky about it; Hamas firing rockets from Gaza does not give Israel a blank check to massacre 36,000 civilians and displace a million+ people as collective punishment.


Again, can't emphasize enough that this is ethnic cleansing on its face, and none of the throwaway "whatabout" arguments change that. Israel does not have the right to force people to flee their homes en masse any more than America had the right to force indigenous people off their land.

Are you upset about Hamas terrorists being treated poorly?