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05-23-2024 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
That's when Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Egypt. and Saudi Arabia ****ed around, and found out. They actually DID think the Jews were crybabies. That was their mistake.

Like I said, regionally you won't find bigger hardos. No choice but to get hard down there.
You're conflating Jews with Israel yet again, which isn't allowed.
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05-23-2024 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
You're conflating Jews with Israel yet again, which isn't allowed.
Israel is the Jewish homeland, hombre. Was largely just Jews who went toe to toe against the Arabs in those wars. Proud Maccabi warriors, every last one.

If we got a homeland at all, it's on the backs of those legends. And in those wars, they were just Jews. Israel didn't become Israel, until it did.
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05-23-2024 , 10:35 AM
Racism.

This is like when BOIDs claimed that a Jewish city established in the US would be the greatest community anywhere in the world.
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05-23-2024 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Racism
And they call the zionists crybabies in those videos?

yowza
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05-23-2024 , 10:38 AM
To spell it out to you the problem with claiming racial superiority in some regards is you then have to allow the claims of racial inferiority in other regards, and we definitely don't want people to start doing that.

It's the same as when white supremacists think it's really clever to claim that black people are better at sprinting, hoping to get agreement on this so that they can then make claims about black inferiority in other ways.
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05-23-2024 , 10:39 AM
Btw what do you think the Arabs called the Jews in the 20's, 30's and 40's (going back from there)?

They just called them "the Jews". "Yahudi"

There was no other word.
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05-23-2024 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
To spell it out to you the problem with claiming racial superiority in some regards is you then have to allow the claims of racial inferiority in other regards, and we definitely don't want people to start doing that.
I don't claim racial superiority. I claim the Jews beat back the invasion of 5 hostile countries to win their homeland. That's all I claim. That's all history claims too.

5 countries found out. Surely we can just agree that's real. As real as say Germany and Japan finding out.

Btw that THIS is the hill you're trying to die on and not videos about "zionist crybabies" is.....something.
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05-23-2024 , 10:44 AM
I'm not dying on some cliched hill or watching some stupid video.
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05-23-2024 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
If you want to claim that the position of those 146 countries is moral because of a "strength in numbers" thesis (what else can it be?), then check what else they share
Gosh I'm stumped, why don't you tell me.
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05-23-2024 , 10:54 AM




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05-23-2024 , 11:07 AM
Ethnic cleansing isn’t for the weak, you got that right. Takes hard men to murder women and children
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05-23-2024 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
Btw what do you think the Arabs called the Jews in the 20's, 30's and 40's (going back from there)?

They just called them "the Jews". "Yahudi"

There was no other word.
Long before "River to the Sea" or "From water to water, Palestine is Arab," as it goes in Arabic; the common refrain was, "The English to the sea and the Jews to the grave."

If they actually care about resolving the issue on terms that aren't disastrous to the Palestinians, at some point Western leftists are going to have to acknowledge that 100 years of Arab genocidal rhetoric and actions, along with maximalist demands, are a giant hurdle that needs to be acknowledged and dealt with.

And 100 years of being losers doesn't actually confer any moral high ground. Your actual moral values are what confer a moral high ground. And Palestinians/Arabs have demonstrated nothing positive in this direction.
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05-23-2024 , 11:33 AM
must... not... internet argue... with people justifying bombing kids, hospitals, and apartment buildings
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05-23-2024 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Gosh I'm stumped, why don't you tell me.
I did with the map
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05-23-2024 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
must... not... internet argue... with people justifying bombing kids, hospitals, and apartment buildings
You are actually allowed to bomb any of those buildings when they're used as launch points by your enemy. We know they are, the UN even has made those accusations public and published reports on it.

As to the rest, at present the IDF just moved 1M civilians to safe zones in 2 weeks. If we can't acknowledge what that represents, we aren't having an honest discussion.
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05-23-2024 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
To spell it out to you the problem with claiming racial superiority in some regards is you then have to allow the claims of racial inferiority in other regards, and we definitely don't want people to start doing that.

It's the same as when white supremacists think it's really clever to claim that black people are better at sprinting, hoping to get agreement on this so that they can then make claims about black inferiority in other ways.
Is being in favor of affirmative action racist so, for the same reasons reversed?
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05-23-2024 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
As to the rest, at present the IDF just moved 1M civilians to safe zones in 2 weeks. If we can't acknowledge what that represents, we aren't having an honest discussion.
Sounds kinda like ethnic cleansing to me.
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05-23-2024 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Sounds kinda like ethnic cleansing to me.
lol if they aren't moved and killed, it's genocide

if they ARE moved and saved (and brought to humanitarian corridors) to go get the terrorists/hostages/tunnels/weapons, it's ethnic cleansing



The riggage is indeed strong.
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05-23-2024 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
lol if they aren't moved and killed, it's genocide

if they ARE moved and saved (and brought to humanitarian corridors) to go get the terrorists/hostages/tunnels/weapons, it's ethnic cleansing



The riggage is indeed strong

The point is that forcing a million people from their land under penalty of death isn't cool, sry.
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05-23-2024 , 11:56 AM
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The point is that forcing a million people from their land under penalty of death isn't cool, sry.
They are still on their land. And nothing is under penalty of death.

Seems like if Israel had done this from the word go, we might have had even less deaths. This seemingly, is the only way. Fwiw they did do this once before in the North.
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05-23-2024 , 12:00 PM
Btw the super easy solution was not invading Israel, not declaring war, not killing the most Jews in a day since the Shoah, and not taking hostages.

That was a really good way to keep Rafah intact.
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05-23-2024 , 12:03 PM
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They are still on their land. And nothing is under penalty of death.
OK what happens to them if they don't leave their homes.
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05-23-2024 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
The point is that forcing a million people from their land under penalty of death isn't cool, sry.
It isn't cool, but it's Hamas causing that, take it to them.
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05-23-2024 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
lol if they aren't moved and killed, it's genocide

if they ARE moved and saved (and brought to humanitarian corridors) to go get the terrorists/hostages/tunnels/weapons, it's ethnic cleansing



The riggage is indeed strong.
Yes they want ro claim any set of action which gives hope of Hamas eradication is criminal.

Which means telling every terrorist group in the world for the next 100 years that the only thing they need to get away with as much terror as they want is finding enough human shields to hide among.

Truly absurdly disastrous long term consequences for everyone if we don't let Israel eradicate Hamas at any civilian cost
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05-23-2024 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
Yes they want ro claim any set of action which gives hope of Hamas eradication is criminal.

Which means telling every terrorist group in the world for the next 100 years that the only thing they need to get away with as much terror as they want is finding enough human shields to hide among.

Truly absurdly disastrous long term consequences for everyone if we don't let Israel eradicate Hamas at any civilian cost
So you do support genocide.

Nothing wrong with that. Just own it like Dunyain.
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