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04-08-2020 , 06:46 PM
prediction: after the impending healthcare catastrophy in US, public healthcare will no longer be avoidable in your country. Since Trump doesn't seem to care about republican "values" as much as he does about staying in power, he will propose his own plan, obviously named "Trumpcare". Biden will propose some slow reforms that may or may not eventually lead to stopping people from dying because they cant afford a doctor, so Trump will simply say that his plan will be implemented immedietly (thus winning himself the elections).

To appease his core base, he will of course frame it in a vaguely racist/xenophobic way, making it all about "real Americans" who "deserve the right to healthcare". His initial plan will be completely ridiculous, but Democrats will have no choice but to work with him and make it workable. He will then graciously accept those corrections as a big concessions to them, and then take all the credit anyway. He will also claim that he was always pro public healthcare, just didn't want the Democrats to give it away to anyone coming into the country.

On the plus side, you might finally get public healthcare this way.
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04-08-2020 , 06:54 PM
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And there's nothing remotely illegal about any of this. "Betting those loans would fail" in other areas of life is just called insurance. Virtually no major financial institution was net short and we know this because most of them were on the verge of failure when the mortgages went bad. If you're exposed to a huge amount of risk, hedging some of the risk isn't merely not illegal - not doing so would be negligence. And a basket of subprime loans almost certainly has lower risks that subprime loans individually and if properly structured, higher tranches (with lower tranches absorbing most of the default risk) would certainly warrant a high credit rating.

More details on what happened: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...9&postcount=73



Then who did the money come from and where did the money go? This isn't remotely controversial - Wall Street invested huge amounts of their own money and their customers' money, directly and indirectly in the housing market, much of which went to benefit the Main Street. From house flippers to home builders to all kinds of other people involved in real estate, they all benefited tremendously from this infusion of capital. This is what Wall Street does. They usually do much better when the underlying investments do better.



I don't believe you understand the words you're using here but again, what here is illegal?



They don't - prosecutors typically don't have finance backgrounds. Keep in mind, we don't have some kind of centralized system for this, there could've been any number of criminal charges from any of the state DA offices. Nor is there any kind of civil immunity - any number of people could have brought civil cases against the companies involved. You're alleging some sort of grand conspiracy to insulate Wall Street from the consequences of their actions - how would that even work? Also, not only are you alleging such a conspiracy, you literally have not cited a single illegal thing that was done. This is your Benghazi / Emails / #LockHerUp - you keep writing posts insinuating that Wall Street did something wrong and people should've gone to jail but what did they actually do what was illegal?



From a legal perspective, borrowers were the major group that committed most of the felonies as they relate to the housing bubble. It's pointless to go after them and they likely weren't necessary for the crisis either - consider my take on the broader crisis globally:

https://marginalrevolution.com/margi...he-crisis.html

The important thing to note is the housing bubble was worldwide, even in areas where it was not mediated by Wall Street and in some cases not even driven by credit. The need to find scapegoats is human, but it's fundamentally a right-wing (regressive) instinct.



How would you even know? You clearly don't have any understanding of what happened. Like you were given multiple chances to explain what may have happened and you're just randomly misusing financial jargons as though they add up to some kind of a point. They don't.



We went over this a long long time ago:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/4...nsions-890379/

The major conservative talking point was that government regulations (CRA in particular) forced banks to make underperforming loans to minorities. This is complete bullshit, as my posts in that thread point out. In reality, lots of middle to upper-middle class people lied about their financial situation to take out loans to get around underwriting guidelines. Note that your weird obsession with bailouts shows up as part of the conservative talking point - the point was that somehow banks made bad loans to poor minorities (and this caused a financial crisis) because something something bailout. Weird conspiracy theories about Fannie and Freddie bailouts and how they relate to handouts to poor minorities were definitely part of the conservative rhetoric back in the day. Keep in mind, the initial bailout was opposed more strongly by the Republicans (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml). Historically, antisemitic conspiracy theories involving Wall Street, finance and even the nature of money have been rampant on the far right.

Ultimately what happened isn't a matter of politics - it's not hard to find out what happened - the facts are all out there. The fact that you need to parse what happened through a political lens and judge interpretations primarily based on whether they are compatible with your political narrative is to me, a sign that you don't have any understanding of the topic at all. This is the equivalent of "Coronavirus is a hoax because it's politically inconvenient for Trump" only as applied to GFC and your political views.
I can't believe I'm seeing someone post about the GFC who actually knows what they're talking about. I didn't think that was legal on the internet.
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04-08-2020 , 08:35 PM
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How would I know that your view is narrow ?
Well, I'm reading your nonsense for one thing.
It's just a little sad to me that some people are simply unable to learn things that run counter to their feelings.

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And you link to yourself as a source?
I'm not personally aware of a better source on the internet on this topic. Tanta (RIP) from Calculated Risk was one of the better sources from the perspective of explaining mechanically how things worked, but she passed away shortly after the Lehman collapse and she didn't quite have a holistic view of how this all fit in. I've not come across anyone that seems to understand at a detailed level how things worked.

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There was a couple hundred billion paid by various institutions in fines so you insisting nothing illegal was done is juicy.
Again, the point wasn't that nothing bad was ever done, because that's not realistically achievable in any large field for any period of time. There are always bad apples, there are always mistakes that in normal times don't matter but in the wrong set of circumstances can blow up badly. The point is that the typical political narrative where Wall Street unjustly and illegally enriched itself at the expense of Main Street is closer to the opposite of what happened. Whether Goldman made some mistakes in disclosing risks while selling securities to a Saudi fund, whether unrelated Goldman traders were internally chatting about how bad some of these securities were, whether some pension fund was able to recover some of their losses through finding legal loopholes, are ultimately irrelevant in terms of why and how things happened and who is culpable.

And fines and settlements only strengthen my point here - what's going on is that they were defrauded by borrowers and mortgage lenders, and they passed off some of those to their investors. They are, well, in some specific situations, being required to pay restitution for forwarding the risk to the investors that bought those securities, but they are not able to get paid for having been victims of the exact same thing on the other end. This is the legal equivalent of what happened with the balance sheet - Wall Street was quite literally stuck holding a lot of the risk themselves when things blew up. This all makes your central claim that Wall Street is getting away with something even more absurd. The general public distrust of the financier class, which on the left is motivated by the distrust of the rich and powerful and on the right is motivated by the distrust of others, including foreigners and urban elites, not to mention widespread antisemitism across the political spectrum, made Wall Street a great legal and political target.

Still waiting to hear who deserved to go to jail and didn't and your holistic analysis of who took whose money and who deserves the blame.
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04-08-2020 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Phone Booth
It's just a little sad to me that some people are simply unable to learn things that run counter to their feelings.



I'm not personally aware of a better source on the internet on this topic. Tanta (RIP) from Calculated Risk was one of the better sources from the perspective of explaining mechanically how things worked, but she passed away shortly after the Lehman collapse and she didn't quite have a holistic view of how this all fit in. I've not come across anyone that seems to understand at a detailed level how things worked.



Again, the point wasn't that nothing bad was ever done, because that's not realistically achievable in any large field for any period of time. There are always bad apples, there are always mistakes that in normal times don't matter but in the wrong set of circumstances can blow up badly. The point is that the typical political narrative where Wall Street unjustly and illegally enriched itself at the expense of Main Street is closer to the opposite of what happened. Whether Goldman made some mistakes in disclosing risks while selling securities to a Saudi fund, whether unrelated Goldman traders were internally chatting about how bad some of these securities were, whether some pension fund was able to recover some of their losses through finding legal loopholes, are ultimately irrelevant in terms of why and how things happened and who is culpable.

And fines and settlements only strengthen my point here - what's going on is that they were defrauded by borrowers and mortgage lenders, and they passed off some of those to their investors. They are, well, in some specific situations, being required to pay restitution for forwarding the risk to the investors that bought those securities, but they are not able to get paid for having been victims of the exact same thing on the other end. This is the legal equivalent of what happened with the balance sheet - Wall Street was quite literally stuck holding a lot of the risk themselves when things blew up. This all makes your central claim that Wall Street is getting away with something even more absurd. The general public distrust of the financier class, which on the left is motivated by the distrust of the rich and powerful and on the right is motivated by the distrust of others, including foreigners and urban elites, not to mention widespread antisemitism across the political spectrum, made Wall Street a great legal and political target.

Still waiting to hear who deserved to go to jail and didn't and your holistic analysis of who took whose money and who deserves the blame.
LOL

So you're pretending to be a 'facts' guy now ? That's rich. Keep it coming.

Tell me more about how nothing illegal occurred but when it did it didn't matter anyway. Because of those pesky loan holders who violently forced the poor helpless Wall Street financiers (some of the Semites I hear) to give them sub prime mortgages, even though the poor financiers were systematically overleveraged by virtue of their own financial vehicles.

You're an author right ?
Humorous fiction ?
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04-08-2020 , 09:59 PM
I think we can be encouraged by the plateau in cases in NY, CA, WA. I think this mirrors Italy, Spain, Wuhan...three places where the outbreak took hold, but was "contained" at a certain level after strict social distancing measures were put in place.

It does concern me that the NE USA, areas with close ties to NYC, that is NYC, NJ, CN...seem to be showing a 10% death rate over the last few days. This is what UK, Italy, Spain, and France show...and this death rate stays pretty high, it seems. the cases are dropping in these countries, the curve is bending as they say, same as in NYC...but the deaths are high and stay high. At least that is my read of the data they give us.

So you wonder are we going to see something like this:
the cases in NE USA plateau, deaths stay high for weeks longer...then in other places in the USA, places behind NYC, are we going to see the same phenomena but to perhaps a lesser extent as the measure were put in place relatively early (before it "took hold" like in NYC, Wuhan, Italy) and seem to be working to some extent. Will Florida one day report their same 1000 cases but instead of 27 dead like today, they record 100 dead? and then 700 cases but 90 dead. and week after week...FL, TX, GA, etc etc. well, first things first, have these states really "plateaued"?

and of course the massive topic of how and when do we "reopen".

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04-08-2020 , 11:17 PM
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So you're pretending to be a 'facts' guy now ? That's rich. Keep it coming.
No need for pretense, when the facts are obvious. I've had a lot of lopsided arguments on this forum over the years and have educated quite a few people but your brand of ignorance is special too. Keep in mind, you stopped being an important part of my audience a few posts back.

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Tell me more about how nothing illegal occurred but when it did it didn't matter anyway. Because of those pesky loan holders who violently forced the poor helpless Wall Street financiers (some of the Semites I hear) to give them sub prime mortgages, even though the poor financiers were systematically overleveraged by virtue of their own financial vehicles.
Either way, this display of fact-free snark-fest by RFlush is a good microcosm of what's going on in this world today and why governments around the world had trouble reacting properly. In a world driven by political narratives, people judge facts and evidence entirely by how well they fit into the political narrative they hold dear. In that world, every wannabe pundit is an expert on everything because, well everything has a political angle - it's hard to interpret facts properly, but it's easy to decide which facts you want to be true and which interpretation you want to be true. It gets even easier when facts get delivered with political angles built in, so you don't even have to do this filtering - the media (social or otherwise) will do this for you. To some extent, this has always been how politics works at the electoral level, but what's a bit concerning is that a lot of areas that used to be domains of experts and bureaucrats that worked independently of political narratives are starting to become politicized.

This is a perfect backdrop for Trump - his aversion to facts is nearly an asset, he knows exactly what he wants to be true and he's been able to apply this more broadly than most. But we have to remember that this isn't purely a right-wing phenomenon, even though at the moment, at the federal level, it's more prominent there. It's not surprising to see that RFlush operates the exact same way, even if he's playing, possibly temporarily, a progressive. He knows that he's right because his political narrative demands that he be right. Unfortunately, the actual mechanics of the world don't care about your political narrative. Coronavirus doesn't give a damn whether you believe in it or not. What we say here doesn't matter in the small, but in aggregate, they do.

I know some people here are more involved in politics than I will ever be, so my ask is simple - use political narratives when you need to, since building compelling narratives around facts is critical for long-term electoral success. I wrote a bit on this earlier (it seems that a version of my hypothetical rhetoric actually became somewhat mainstream lately):

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/4...point-1245897/

But, if you want to have positive influence on the world, you can't lose yourself in the narrative and you need to be able to distinguish between the talking points used to sell candidates and policy and the more complex reality they underlie. You're the dealer, not the junkie. You still have to understand the world independent of the narrative you're using to rally the normal folks too caught up in the every day life to care about the nuances of the world as it relates to policy. The narrative isn't going to govern the country.
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04-08-2020 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Phone Booth
In reality, lots of middle to upper-middle class people lied about their financial situation to take out loans to get around underwriting guidelines.
Sure and they were the major beneficiaries of the loans especially so with refis. But Countrywide et al and their stooge appraisers were complicit in the illicitness as well.
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04-08-2020 , 11:55 PM
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I cringe every time I click a link to forbes.com - content is fine - but such aids site with adds and terribleness. Vulture capitalists squeezing the life out of it I'm sure.
Forbes online is different from the magazine. The online side is just a clickbait content farm paying independents for stories.
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04-09-2020 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by anatta
I think we can be encouraged by the plateau in cases in NY, CA, WA. I think this mirrors Italy, Spain, Wuhan...three places where the outbreak took hold, but was "contained" at a certain level after strict social distancing measures were put in place.

It does concern me that the NE USA, areas with close ties to NYC, that is NYC, NJ, CN...seem to be showing a 10% death rate over the last few days. This is what UK, Italy, Spain, and France show...and this death rate stays pretty high, it seems. the cases are dropping in these countries, the curve is bending as they say, same as in NYC...but the deaths are high and stay high. At least that is my read of the data they give us.
Yeah it sure looks that way at the moment. Even SK who got a jump on this early on and consequently has a much lower number in their base in which to devote resources to contract trace and isolate can't quite seem to make it go away. Who knows what we're facing in the U.S. if it's that resilient but here's Italy since their lockdown:

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04-09-2020 , 12:12 AM


Big thumbs up for white men out there working towards that herd immunity.
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04-09-2020 , 12:38 AM
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Sure and they were the major beneficiaries of the loans especially so with refis. But Countrywide et al and their stooge appraisers were complicit in the illicitness as well.
Of course, the focus on deal flow, shoddy underwriting, etc is all part of the story. Lots of mortgage brokers knowingly got their customers to lie, pushed appraisers to get to the right number and misrepresented the loan structure to many of the customers. These are all Main Street operations, the actual beneficiaries were local employees and contractors that were paid per deal and most of the independent lenders blew up on their own - Countrywide would have too if it stayed independent, as BAC lost far more money from Countrywide than Countrywide would've had available - so there wasn't much of a point in going after them.
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04-09-2020 , 01:30 AM
In 2006 or so, I was literally told if I couldn't prove my income I could get what's called a "liar's loan" - at a higher rate of course. They weren't remotely trying to hide it.
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04-09-2020 , 09:13 AM
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Can we trust any info coming out of China?
more than USA info for sure
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04-09-2020 , 09:37 AM
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No need for pretense, when the facts are obvious. I've had a lot of lopsided arguments on this forum over the years and have educated quite a few people but your brand of ignorance is special too. Keep in mind, you stopped being an important part of my audience a few posts back.


If the facts were obvious all experts would agree with you and you wouldn't be so defensive of your theory.

Are you comparing your technical knowledge of finance with mine and saying my ignorance is somehow special ? Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. It's not ever 'special'. It's binary. Finance is your field. So you have a more nuanced opinion of what happened but that doesn't mean you're right. That appeal to authority logical fallacy is always in play.

The thing is, we all make good decisions while being ignorant of technical details all the time. We're wired to do that so we can actually navigate and survive in the world.

Do you actually think you're teaching the forum something by using me as and example ? LOL Everyone knows the body politic is composed of all kinds of people and politicians must gain a following in an efficient way. Talking points are a way to do that. That doesn't mean they're bad, they need to be evaluated on their own merit. In this example, the talking point that people should have been jailed after the financial collapse is perfectly reasonable. You don't know that because you're a dick. But it really is.

I think your mother's voice, putting you down as a child, is still in your head and you're trying to soothe the pain.

Anyway, good luck Captain Obvious. Maybe you'll find a disciple somewhere else.
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04-09-2020 , 09:40 AM
the odds of Trump holding a large political rally before July 1st? Knowing Trump my guess would be 40 percent
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04-09-2020 , 06:11 PM
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The 25-county region surrounding Houston had reported fewer than 950 confirmed coronavirus cases among its 9.3 million residents as of Monday. But on that same day, there were 996 people hospitalized in the region with confirmed or suspected cases of COVID-19, according to the advisory council count. That figure is not cumulative and does not include patients with COVID-19 who were hospitalized and released before Monday.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-tell-n1175291
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04-09-2020 , 07:46 PM
WSJ editorial page has also peeled off Trump, it’s starting to happen.
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04-09-2020 , 08:00 PM
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WSJ editorial page has also peeled off Trump, it’s starting to happen.
Wall St Journal is owned by Rupert Murdoch.
Nah.
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04-09-2020 , 09:07 PM
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If the facts were obvious all experts would agree with you and you wouldn't be so defensive of your theory.
Pretty much all real experts agree with me. I'm not at all defensive - I just find situations where the commonly accepted narrative is the exact opposite of the reality quite fascinating. I also find pseudo-progressive people - those that are clearly driven by a regressive mindset, but yet aligned with a progressive cause - quite fascinating. In a sense, they make the world go around - the human population, as a whole, is more regressive than progressive, yet the world is able to progress. Yet, it's important that they do not become the dominant voice within the broader progressive movement. It's all quite interesting to me that you being a disaffected outsider is more or less what the society needs from you.

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Are you comparing your technical knowledge of finance with mine and saying my ignorance is somehow special ? Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. It's not ever 'special'. It's binary.
Your literalism aside, ignorance manifests itself in different ways - the way yours manifests itself is quite special.

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Finance is your field. So you have a more nuanced opinion of what happened but that doesn't mean you're right. That appeal to authority logical fallacy is always in play.
Finance is not my field. Given the level of discourse you engage in here, you bringing up logical fallacies is quite interesting. Formal logic is close to my field of expertise btw.

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The thing is, we all make good decisions while being ignorant of technical details all the time. We're wired to do that so we can actually navigate and survive in the world.
I don't think your decision to hold incorrect theories about the GFC and write terrible posts about them on the internet is having any impact on your ability to navigate and survive in the world. Your theories are allowed to be untethered from reality because their correctness has no bearing on your life. I already covered this topic in detail during this exchange, though I'm not sure if you know what I'm referring to.

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Do you actually think you're teaching the forum something by using me as and example ? LOL Everyone knows the body politic is composed of all kinds of people and politicians must gain a following in an efficient way. Talking points are a way to do that. That doesn't mean they're bad, they need to be evaluated on their own merit. In this example, the talking point that people should have been jailed after the financial collapse is perfectly reasonable. You don't know that because you're a dick. But it really is.
The level of incoherence in this paragraph is quite striking.

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I think your mother's voice, putting you down as a child, is still in your head and you're trying to soothe the pain.
This is promising - why don't you elaborate on this further? Go on, what else is going in my head? Why am I picking on you?

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Maybe you'll find a disciple somewhere else.
I have more than enough.
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04-09-2020 , 11:03 PM
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In 2006 or so, I was literally told if I couldn't prove my income I could get what's called a "liar's loan" - at a higher rate of course. They weren't remotely trying to hide it.
I'll admit to being biased here, but I never understood the call for criminal prodecutions for the housing crisis. The Wall St folks who everybody wanted to get, were basically the furthest people in the whole cycle from the actual borderline/questionable behavior. It's easy to see why even SDNY, the most fame hungry AGs office in the country, didn't even bother to try.
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04-09-2020 , 11:57 PM
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In 2006 or so, I was literally told if I couldn't prove my income I could get what's called a "liar's loan" - at a higher rate of course. They weren't remotely trying to hide it.
Yeah, they weren’t shy about it. And sure there was plenty of outright fraud going on with them. But still, the primary beneficiaries with the fiasco were the homeowners themselves. Most of the Wall St. gains were basically prop bets resulting in other Wall St. losses.
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04-10-2020 , 08:53 AM
As 1 of the superpowers in the world. when does Trump's lack of intelligence become a threat globally as opposed to just nationally. The only way we are getting out of the catastrophic next 9 months is for the cabinet to invoke the 25th amendment. Ohio R Gov Mike Dewine has been top 10 handling this crisis Trump should take notes from him.
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04-10-2020 , 10:30 AM
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As 1 of the superpowers in the world. when does Trump's lack of intelligence become a threat globally as opposed to just nationally. The only way we are getting out of the catastrophic next 9 months is for the cabinet to invoke the 25th amendment. Ohio R Gov Mike Dewine has been top 10 handling this crisis Trump should take notes from him.
He hasn't started a war so he is just basically screwing the USA over mainly.

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the odds of Trump holding a large political rally before July 1st? Knowing Trump my guess would be 40 percent
No worries with Biden as it would be under 50 people
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04-10-2020 , 01:20 PM
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Pretty much all real experts agree with me. I'm not at all defensive - I just find situations where the commonly accepted narrative is the exact opposite of the reality quite fascinating. I also find pseudo-progressive people - those that are clearly driven by a regressive mindset, but yet aligned with a progressive cause - quite fascinating. In a sense, they make the world go around - the human population, as a whole, is more regressive than progressive, yet the world is able to progress. Yet, it's important that they do not become the dominant voice within the broader progressive movement. It's all quite interesting to me that you being a disaffected outsider is more or less what the society needs from you.
All the experts that work on Wall Street may agree. Sure.

Well, it takes a certain amount of luxury to be able to be a progressive.
Most people are literally just trying to survive from day to day. If they can find common ground and vote together in a democracy they can better themselves. But the elites (of which you seem to fancy yourself) will always pit them against one another. So they end up acting in what you might call a regressive manner. I don't think it can be helped. Survival always comes first. But people want to progress. So in the end they do, it's just slower than it should be.

Your vision of a elite progressive aristocracy is pretty regressive though.

Are you saying I'm a disaffected outsider of society or just the economy ?
Or do you mean from you little sewing circle. ?

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Your literalism aside, ignorance manifests itself in different ways - the way yours manifests itself is quite special.
Okay. As long as you're just calling names.

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I don't think your decision to hold incorrect theories about the GFC and write terrible posts about them on the internet is having any impact on your ability to navigate and survive in the world. Your theories are allowed to be untethered from reality because their correctness has no bearing on your life. I already covered this topic in detail during this exchange, though I'm not sure if you know what I'm referring to.

I'm pretty sure allowing guys like you(or the guys your making excuses for) to set the system up to fail again is going to impact me on some level. But okay, I'm not a decision maker, I just get one vote.

You're referring to your claim that if people are complaining the problem was solved. I laughed at you and you're still but hurt.


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This is promising - why don't you elaborate on this further? Go on, what else is going in my head? Why am I picking on you?
I figure you have to hash that out with your therapist. I wouldn't go near an intellectual if I could help it. You guys are so smart you outsmart yourselves.

I don't think you're picking on me. You're just mad because I laughed at you and you're not used to it. It's funny to me.
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