You also misappropriate the argument of those who are collectively choosing not to vote Biden. I'm not sure about victor, but I believe most of us would have held our noses and voted for any Dem candidate, even Buttigieg. I think the only other person most of us would not have voted for other than Biden is Bloomberg. Not voting Biden is a mixture of the fact that he didn't lift a finger to become the frontrunner and had to coalesce a Klobuttbergden chimera candidate in order to defeat Bernie and to top it all off, he says he would veto M4A if it landed on his desk. Sure that's all well within the rules, but so is choosing not to vote for Biden. It doesn't make sense that the only difference between a supporter of M4A and a radical leftist militia is that you vote party no matter what and/or against the greater evil.

So the goal in that scenario is to get African-Americans to stay home?

I don't get why you view it as some kind of slight to Biden that he had to consolidate support to get the nomination. Just like in 2016, that showed that the progressive wing of the party is not large enough to win a one on one battle for the nomination.

That's fine if you don't get it, I'm not trying to get you to get it. I'm just saying we're not trying to burn down the country by not voting Biden. Trump supporters also have the right to vote Trump, because democracy. To argue against someone's right to vote, or not vote, for a particular candidate and then say they are either against democracy or attempting to tear down the country is ludicrous.

True Story 99 percent of the people that vote for Trump in Nov were voting for Trump regardless of opponent. If you wanted to peel of moderates Bernie would have had to been nominee.

biden should have come out strongly against wisconsin voting. instead he did the opposite. it looks like the dem gov won't let it go down. but yeah..seems to me biden thought i am going to win big in WI, more pressure on bernie to drop out...that is unconscionable and short sighted.

I'm poking at Victor specifically.

boris in ICU. Even with the GOAT care...death is a favorite imo.

Let's hope their ICU doctors are better than their dentists.

brick top has bad teeth but not horrible. probably because he is sweet enough.

Turkish:
You take sugar?

Brick Top:
No, thank you, Turkish; I'm sweet enough.

A) I don't think the military is nearly as cultish as the rest of the Trump clan, and if they are him ****ing all over them is enough to turn some.

B) A lot of them will be dead come November.

right. Bidens history and his policies are indistinguishable from Republicans, esp on the most important ones. so whats the point? I would rather vote for someone that I like.

Significant risk but not favorite. He probably isn't incubated so far and he is nearer the lower end of old (55 iirc.)

African Americans will not vote for Cuomo or Gavin?

I think you will definitely lose some African-American votes by removing the guy that is the overwhelming choice of African-Americans. I don't really get what the upside is of disenfranchising your own voters.

Under such a scenario, you don't see a James Clyburn or other black leaders rightfully telling followers that it is a bullshit move?

the Inso's are forcing all the Wisconsin people that aren't privileged enough to have vote by mail to show up to the polls tomorrow, while the US supreme court votes along voter suppression lines to not extend mail voting deadlines. tens of thousands of Wisconsin mail in voter forms have been delayed due to the pandemic, so the voters dont even have the forms yet and if they are not postmarked by tomorrow they do not count per the US supreme court..

oh and of course for good measure, a major ballot is about the wisc supreme court justice where they want to remove 240,000 people from being able to vote in the November election..

so yeah, i'd say this will have an effect on the US elections. /thread

b side is better imo at 6min 20 or so. side A of the 45s from this era has lyrics. like from what i hear, and it's lately im not expert, from what i hear of reggae on these youtube albums, side A typically has the lyrics which are trippy and true. but the flip side is the jazz jammy jam jam.

And that was idiotic. It was also three weeks ago tomorrow. The idiocy has grown exponentially during that time.

The purpose of programs like this isn't to help everyone. Not everyone needs help, not everyone deserves help and not everyone can be helped. An indiscriminate bailout of homeowners would have been even more problematic from the perspective of equality - homeowners are on average better off than non-homeowners. The point is to stabilize the market so that the program isn't needed. And they succeeded.

This is the whole point of programs like this - the system was saved and it started working on its own.

Who should've been jailed that wasn't? Let's say Wall Street was criminally liable for buying, packaging, selling and holding loans that were obviously fraudulent. What do we do with the borrowers that defrauded the lenders in the first place and mortgage brokers that were more directly involved in these frauds? It's likely that actual felonies were disproportionately committed by average people as opposed to Wall Street.

At worst, Wall Street was the middleman and when they were found to be insolvent due to holding on to so many fraudulent loans, they were the victims. The prevailing narrative aside, it's the borrowers that defrauded the lenders (and indirectly, Wall Street), not the other way around. It was a massive wealth transfer from Wall Street (in the sense of the investor class) to Main Street. This isn't a politically appealing narrative, but this is where you end up if you follow the money.

It's not individual banks that were too big to fail - it was the system that was too big to fail. Breaking up banks does nothing to address the systematic risks and arguably makes the system even more fragile. Having lots of domino tiles isn't exactly the saving grace when they all start to fall one by one.

Your entire criticism is in some sense the proof that generally good decisions were made. In the same sense that if you organize the working class and they later become comfortable enough to become status anxious about those below them, start to vote against their own economic interests, you've won and it's time to move on to the next group. In the same sense that, in the aftermath of a potential pandemic, if people criticize you for reacting too aggressively to something that wasn't as bad the flu (and how it was unfair or cost them or whatever), you've won. If you do a good job of managing a crisis, the people you helped save won't be appreciative and won't even know what it is that you saved them from.

reopening will require massive testing at every entrance imo. like security u see in courts or airports. they take your temperature at the very least.

Republicans.

Biden will get crushed by Trump same way Hillary did, and Democrats who can't see that are the Democratic party's principal problem, as they have been for 30+ years. Quit acting like Republicans lite if you want people to vote for you.

Dems get more votes every time over last half a century save once so idk what this 30+ crushed year thing is. last 2 times biden on ticket he crushed. RCP average has Biden up by 6 nationally vs Trump so nobody thinks Trump will get more votes than Biden...so one wonders wtf are u talking about getting crushed...

1. Biden loses no state Hillary won.
2. PA and MI are done. Trump gave away MI. He would be hard pressed to hold it...but he is done. Biden is strong in PA.
3. So Trump needs WI and FL and to hold everywhere. He is down in both states.

My criticism that Wall St wasn't held accountable is proof that good decisions were made ? LOL

You 3rd way guys are really something.

If one of the serfs complains it's because you did a good job.

That makes it easy to go to sleep a winner I guess.

I think you will be right. Once again you have a candidate that is easy to beat and your best is ….