No they wouldn't. Even someone who believes in no gun restrictions doesn't believe that a person has a right to shoot and kill babies.

I would encourage you to stop with the Demoncrat talking points.

Still thinking that having a heavily armed population to protect themselves against the fact that they are dealing with a heavily armed population isn’t the greatest idea ever.

Meh, I gave it a shot. That's all I remember offhand.

Stop thinking words matter more than actions .
They all end up dead….

You are agreeing to defend life at all cost !
Even if someone got rape cant abort after 2 weeek to protect a cell life ffs ….

But outside the womb , one freedom to own a gun that kill children is more important than life zzzzz

That's not what he said though.

Originally Posted by markksman View Post
Pre-babies must be protected at all costs. Actual babies can F off and die. “Mah guns are more important than mah child”.

The whole thing is beyond gross.

He said that many Americans think their guns are more important than their children.

We may not have any disgareement.

I question whether they have reached a level of proficiency at which we would expect better outcomes. Maybe but I'm dubious about that. It still may be the case that their training tells them to go in etc.

I want to say I've seen it 3 times. I haven't cross checked it tho, to your point. It would be a strong anti police fabrication if false. You're right about the differing stories and time lines here. But I've certainly viewed the parents' aggression and desperation on all sites I've seen. I can assume many others have as well. My sites are just a western bubble of maybe 10-12. Simply footage of the police focusing on parents at that time is enough to conjure such a ludicrous event.

After the history of the Uvalde massacre is finally written, how long until it is re written to conform to Texas education standards

Two ends of the spectrum here. A) cops thought is was a nothing burger and waited and hour? 45 min? to breach B) it was an out massacre on innocent life the authorities waited 45 min, an hour? Regardless of legal liabilities, personal fear or lieutenant commands the emerging generated story is sickening and anti military cop hero

Police protocol specifically calls for immediately engaging active shooters. https://www.theiacp.org/sites/defaul...erPaper2018.pd. Just absolute cowardice.

There is no proficiency needed to engage and distract a shooter who is actively murdering elementary school children. The alternative to engaging is universally worse then any potential collateral consequences of engaging. When I said that police are trained to go in and engage with literally any other security, police or peace officer who is armed, I was not exaggerating.

Yeah well we may disagree about the value of a bunch of cowardly, ill-disciplined usa cops with limited training storming schools guns ablazing as a matter of general practice.

I think it borders on a dangerous fallacy that there is some cop or armed guards based solution to these catastrophies.

It's hilarious that you keep saying limited training. You should preface your declarations as speculation because that's what it is. Something simple like "likely..." will do.

Be safe and stay well!

If by "many" he meant "virtually nobody", then I agree with him. Otherwise, what he said was idiotic (in my humble opinion).

So your position is that they are supposed to go in and well trained to a high level of proficiency/professionalism and yet somehow didn't because ...???

Yes, many police are well-trained with firearms. Some just passed the basics and left it at that. I don't know which were there, and you certainly don't.

What we do know is that when there are multiple cops at a scene, there is one person responsible for all the officers and their actions. For whatever reason, they were told to stand down. I have no idea why, but you sure seem to know why which is lmao.

Indeed

No I dont know why but I do agree with your statement above which is pretty much the point.

another mass shooting......

republican congressmen... once again, "you have blood on your hands"

a bunch of shameless turds.

honestly, would police running in much faster have made a big difference?

you really think the gunman was killed people at a fairly constant rate through the entire 50 minutes.

much ado about very little ..... and i don't think the constraint is training. probably need serious amounts of equipment to make a stand like that.

what equipment did the border patrol agent have when he shot the bad guy?

Yes it would have made a huge difference. Even if he had shot everyone in the first 30 seconds. You can survive many gunshot wounds if you get medical care, but you need to get it quickly.

No, it's not the point. You keep saying they were cowards, untrained, yada yada, but we don't know which of if any cops were there begging their supervisor to let them go in but wouldn't get permission. All we know is whoever gave them the directive to stand down goes against active shooter protocol that's been universally adopted for a while now.

Unarmed teachers are taught to try and take down the shooter if they have no means to hide or escape. It seems unlikely that police are trained to sit outside and wait until the shooting stops.

No .

Einstein said they were cowards and disobeyed training. Then he insists it would obviously be better if they went in.

I'm not disputing that or disagreeing with it.

I dont know. I do know that if they are such cowards/etc i.e that is their caliber (no pun intended) then it's not at all obvious that, in general, we should expect better results if they storm in.

The secondary sin is the amount of lying they did until it became clear they couldn't get away with it. And even yesterday they were going with the ridiculous excuse that if they had gone in earlier there was a chance that they would be killed which would have allowed the gunmen to go into other classes. Nineteen cops might have all been killed?

The truth is that when the cops are taught this new protocol of running toward the shooting, most pretend to go along with it knowing that there is only a tiny chance their lie will be exposed.