Highly dubious.

Then they should have deployed the ones who are well-trained (e.g., SWAT).

Sry if this is the wrong thread, but wtf were the police doing? Why are they armed to the teeth if they don't occasionally go after a legit bad guy? Isn't this the exact scenario they always talk about? Where are the heroes? JFC I am so disgusted by everything.

Now its coming out that some police did go in but to go get their own kids out ? WTF

not reading the entire thread. just here to say that i love to watch 2A people argue against regulations by quoting something that literally says 'regulated' in it.

regulations should not even be a question. the only question should be the progression of those regulations to keep up with modern times...

ie....like not selling semi-auto gas cycled rifles with removable magazines > 10 rounds to 18 year olds for one.

Which takes time.

Anyway i'm not clear exactly what happened with the police or even if this insanity is accurate

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61588274

It should be!

How much time? The chances of police being tied up with some other work is far greater than SWAT.

Well said.

I dunno but how long does it take to murder kids in classrooms with an AR-15?

Right.

Link?

Indeed but what we do know is that no police response will produce a good result once a murderous 18 year old is heavily armed in a school full of kids.

The only good result is it not having happened.

Fair enough. Unfortunately, it seems like the existence of the amendment, and what a lot of people think it stands for, is a huge barrier to said legislation. Not from a legal standpoint, but from a political one. But just the same, constitutional change isn't a realistic path. And if there was enough political will to change the constitution on this issue (which is an EXTREMELY high bar, especially in today's political climate), then stricter federal legislation would already exist.

I know that said freedom is a big deal to a lot of Americans, and that's a much bigger discussion. I see pros and cons. But absent federal legislation, it certainly leads to to greatly varying laws across the country, and gun control is one area that sees a great deal of this. Unfortunately, it tends to blunt the usefulness of stricter laws in some states, as those with the will and means to buy whatever guns they want will have no trouble going to a different state to do so.

while growing up in Canadian I could live vicariously through many of those movies jingoistic messaging, it was undoubtably directed right at Americans as immortalized by this brilliant piece of satire.



I guess i would say, a world wide audience enjoyed but a large part of America, took the message literally to heart such as the person who probably watched the Red Dawn movie and then armored up after as his paranoia grew.

Guns are taking the lives of our citizens, sending our innocent people to jail, who's ONLY crime is to hold the gun and pull the trigger.

So let me get this straight...there are cases where these people are going into other states to get guns, and there are more gun crimes at the destination than the SOURCE?


Big self own..

I've made no comment on whether there is or isn't more gun crimes at the destination or the source. I'm simply saying that if one state passes strict laws against the sale of certain guns, but a neighbouring state has far more permissive laws, the fact that people can drive across the border and buy what they want blunts their own state's laws, for better or for worse.

While this is horrible and a nightmare for sure, the girl said it was her best friend. What parent doesn’t know what his daughters best friend looks like?

Depends on the ages and community, I would say.

If I grew up in the rural area our family moved to later, I would say it would have been very likely my father would not have met any my best friends until after about age 8 or more. It was not like they would be coming over or vice versa at those ages when I would have to be on a school bus immediately after.

I mean, sure there could be plenty of things that happen, that could lead to a meeting, deliberate or not, but it would not be shocking if it did not, if you are thinking that is reason to question the articles authenticity.

For republicans , child are only worth protecting with the full force of the states solely when they are in the wombs of a woman .

Once they born , who the fack cares ….

It's obviously an antiquated concept (we need an armed citizenry to protect our society and/or keep the slaves in line) but our SCOTUS puts more weight on what people wrote back when leeches were state of the art medical treatment then what citizens today think.

And the poor dumb gun fetishists....well, we all have our vices.

This is pretty much the sad reality.

The locals are there to write tickets and lock up the drunks. Half the time they can't even do that right. You really don't want them going in to an active shooter situation. They're trained to establish a perimeter and gather intel and then mostly to wait for the guys who are trained to do this stuff.

According to reports the cops yelled through the door for the kids to call for help. One of the kids started dialing his phone so the gunman executed him.

How **** did the shooter even get in the school? in my state every school has a bolted door and then another bolted door which required to be let in. The cops in videos of parents screaming had rifles. What is point of the rifle if you're not going in to sacrafice yourself. Firefighters do it. Emts do it. Cops won't?

The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.