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I certainly didn't change anything. Of course that of losing your job or schooling is not the same as forcing. A lot of things are required for lots of jobs, and lots of vaccinations are required for most schools.

If you add a requirement afterwards it's not the same as a requirement needed before, I hope you understand that.

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04-25-2024 , 07:23 PM

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Daycare, the fact that their parents work required them to go there.

Ok, so their parents did.

Not surprising to me as most parents are cruel dictators. Mine forced me to do a lot of things worse than put a mask on my face. Actually I bet yours did too.

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04-25-2024 , 07:24 PM

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How about you say, I Luciom understand that taking away privileges is not the same as forcing.

It's so frustrating because all this bs about a college being part of the us government and testing options is irrelevant because what I said was NO ONE WAS FORCED. Not one single person was forced, even if there were consequences for their actions, no one was forced.

I work in a hospital laboratory. I had to be vaccinated for both covid and flu to work there. I already do that regularly, so no big deal, but I'm not being forced to do it. It's a condition of employment. It's not that complicated.

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Also, I believe most health care workers in the US do have to get the flu vaccine. I did when I was employed by a health care company, even though I was not someone who treated patients.

Yes, it's a very common requirement to get the flu vaccine in health care.

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04-25-2024 , 07:25 PM

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If you add a requirement afterwards it's not the same as a requirement needed before, I hope you understand that.

Sorry, I disagree.

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04-25-2024 , 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by chillrob

How about you say, I Luciom understand that taking away privileges is not the same as forcing.

Also, I believe most health care workers in the US do have to get the flu vaccine. I did when I was employed by a health care company, even though I was not someone who treated patients.

Ok so if you pay 60k tuition then I can add arbitrary behavioral requests after you paid, and you don't fulfill them I can keep your money and kick you away, abd that's not forcing.

"Privilege" of getting what you paid for, or a reimbursement jfc privilege

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04-25-2024 , 07:26 PM

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Actually I bet yours did too.

Apparently not if he thinks wearing a mask is literally torture. Must have been carried around on a cushion his whole life.

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04-25-2024 , 07:27 PM

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Ok, so their parents did.

Not surprising to me as most parents are cruel dictators. Mine forced me to do a lot of things worse than put a mask on my face. Actually I bet yours did too.

Parents did? The government did mandating it to daycare

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04-25-2024 , 07:27 PM

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Sorry, I disagree.

You disagree quite correctly. It's not a new requirement. Not being a danger to the people you are there to help is one of the main parts of the job.

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04-25-2024 , 07:29 PM

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Apparently not if he thinks wearing a mask is literally torture. Must have been carried around on a cushion his whole life.

At 2 it is which is why almost no place in the world mandated them at that age especially not for hours. Including places that were mich more fascists with the rest of the population.

But it doesn't surprise me that people like you really hate small children and defend the indefensible, cruel, fascist mask mandate for toddlers.

Anyway gorgon thank you for the reminder which I need from time to time, of what is evil (that is : you and people like you existing in our countries), on why it is important to fight politically, and also thank you because if everyone was like rococo the left would win a lot more often but being more often like you, we have a chance

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04-25-2024 , 07:30 PM

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I understand that everything right of center for you negates being "remotely reasonable"

if i were to make political spectrum chart, roc would be exactly just right of center imo

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04-25-2024 , 07:31 PM

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You know what, I actually believe that the students who didn't want to get vaccinated should have gotten their money back. But it couldn't have been many - most university classes went completely or mostly online.

Actually I think anyone who didn't like online classes should have gotten their money back - online courses are not the same as live classes and the full university experience.

But the fact that a few students didn't get their money back is just an example of a policy that you and I both disagree with. Colleges and governments have a lot of policies I disagree with. Not everything I disagree with qualifies as creeping fascism.

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04-25-2024 , 07:31 PM

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Anyway we moved from "the government never mandated masks to 2y old" and "the government never mandated vaccination for 7y old to have a ice cream indoor " to "well yes it actually happened and it was good" again.

****ing Liars doing this every time.

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04-25-2024 , 07:34 PM

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Classes went mostly online *and you were still mandated the vaccine* lol.

I don't consider the vax mandate for students fascism, I do consider fascism the way they were treated (including the no reimbursement) when they didn't comply with the mandate.

The fascist part isn't the vaccine mandate, it's what you do to those who don't follow on the mandate.

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04-25-2024 , 07:34 PM

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lol mussolini getting worked up

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04-25-2024 , 07:35 PM

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It seems fairly rare that someone from the right demonizes someone on the left

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04-25-2024 , 07:35 PM

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if i were to make political spectrum chart, roc would be exactly just right of center imo

Maybe in Europe, certainly not in the USA for federal elections?

I mean I might be wrong but if you are right, he would vote republican in the house, Senate and for governor (unless a smart very centrist democrat is up against a maga guy) and Biden for POTUS, is that the case?

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04-25-2024 , 07:36 PM

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lol mussolini getting worked up

Mussolini indeed instituted the first mass vaccine mandate in Italy to the cheers of the gorgons worldwide

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04-25-2024 , 07:38 PM

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Parents did? The government did mandating it to daycare

The government didn't put the kids in daycare.

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04-25-2024 , 07:40 PM

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At 2 it is which is why almost no place in the world mandated them at that age especially not for hours. Including places that were mich more fascists with the rest of the population.

But it doesn't surprise me that people like you really hate small children and defend the indefensible, cruel, fascist mask mandate for toddlers.

Anyway gorgon thank you for the reminder which I need from time to time, of what is evil (that is : you and people like you existing in our countries), on why it is important to fight politically, and also thank you because if everyone was like rococo the left would win a lot more often but being more often like you, we have a chance

Not me, I love kids.

Spoiler:

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04-25-2024 , 07:43 PM

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Man, I have to say I'm really enjoying watching Trump fall apart as he inches closer and closer to his first felony convictions. Incredibly entertaining.

He is melting down because no one will do what he wants. It is comical.

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04-25-2024 , 07:44 PM

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Umm, no, they still didn't force anyone to wear masks.

No one but you used the word "mandate". Honestly I'm not sure of the legal definition of that, but I never claimed anything about mandates.

Obviously no one made any claims about anyone eating ice cream indoors, you're also the only one who mentioned that.

Let me repeat what I said earlier.

No one that I know of was forced to get a vaccine in the US. I will now clarify that I meant no adults. Some children were obviously forced to be vaccinated by their parents.

If you have any actual examples of US citizens being forced to get a covid vaccine, I would still love to hear about it.

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04-25-2024 , 07:48 PM

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Damn this thread is on one today

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04-25-2024 , 07:55 PM

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lol mussolini getting worked up

There are no citizens to govern in Luciomtopia. They all left because the fascists won't let them get ice cream.

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04-25-2024 , 07:55 PM

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Not you, gorgon.

He denied it was because of legal mandates. He said it was businesses deciding that for themselves. That was a lie.

And yes I understand you are alone in the world not considering it forcing to threaten you with massive damage if you don't do x, but it is forcing.

I wonder if you would call it "forcing" if I said that you have to give your car to me or I cut your hand.

I would call that grand theft auto, not forcing.

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04-25-2024 , 07:57 PM

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He is melting down because no one will do what he wants. It is comical.

Truly one of the greatest things I've ever witnessed. I thought this indictment was the least likely one to succeed (ignoring the Aileen Cannon effect), and it's already looking like I way underestimated it.

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