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Why is this so hard to imagine? The other arguments have all been made ad nauseam, the French connection is the novelty. Obviously that would be the interesting part.

Lol k my bad that I waste time I guess

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04-13-2024 , 03:17 PM

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Imagine you write 4 paragraphs about the ascent of Nazism in Germany and in one line you write that Hitler was originally from France, all the rest is factual.

And you mentioned France erroneously just to make a point about the fact that he wasn't even German to begin with.

Then a user comes and relentlessly only addresses the fact that no, he was from Austria, without ever touching the other part of your arguments.

Is this supposed to be an analogy to something that actually happened in this forum?

Also, does the person in your example continue to insist that Hitler was from France even after someone points out his error?

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04-13-2024 , 03:32 PM

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Yes i tried to explain why federal creditor guarantees had a crucial role in allowing risk build up mentioning the FDIC begin with, as the "original sin" of federal guarantees (the most on paper justified one) and I only got addressed on that and not on the overarching argument

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04-13-2024 , 03:46 PM

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Bro, you didn't have an overarching argument. Well, not one that anyone disagreed with, anyway. You were just belaboring the blindingly ****ing obvious.

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04-13-2024 , 05:14 PM

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You think that criticizing the weak points in an argument is lazy? Is it lazier than making the weak points in the first place?

lol yeah. If someone’s trying to sell me a chain that’s 90% steel and 10% paper I’m probably gonna ask about the paper parts. Guess that’s just laziness though. Should be asking about the carbon content of the parts that will never fail.

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04-13-2024 , 05:19 PM

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You think that criticizing the weak points in an argument is lazy? Is it lazier than making the weak points in the first place?

Yes. Is there some reason why you can't respond to the strong points?

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04-13-2024 , 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte

lol yeah. If someone trying to sell me a chain that’s 90% steel and 10% paper I’m probably gonna ask about the paper parts. Guess that’s just laziness though. Should be asking about the carbon content of the parts that will never fail.

There's a very old Russian/Soviet joke to that effect:

Market trader is selling rabbit stew.
Customer comes up and says "is this 100% rabbit"?
Market guy says "yeah, for sure"
"No horse in it?"
"Well, maybe a little horse, we all have to make a profit"
"Ok, how much horse?"
"Well, maybe 1:1"
"What, 1kg rabbit to 1kg horse?"
"No, one rabbit to one horse"

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04-13-2024 , 06:50 PM

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Yes. Is there some reason why you can't respond to the strong points?

Is there some reasons you should post weak bs points in the first place ?

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04-13-2024 , 07:03 PM

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Is there some reasons you should post weak bs points in the first place ?

Can you answer the question? Why not respond to the strong points?

If you can't, is it because they are too strong and because you know you're wrong?

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04-13-2024 , 07:05 PM

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Can you answer the question? Why not respond to the strong points?

If you can't, is it because they are too strong and because you know you're wrong?

This is a very odd hill to die on. Pay your money, take your choice, I guess.

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04-13-2024 , 07:10 PM

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Can you answer the question? Why not respond to the strong points?

If you can't, is it because they are too strong and because you know you're wrong?

if I make a thesis and half of it it’s based on bs, why shouldn’t I be discredit ?
Aren’t I being disingenuous by trying to build a strong thesis using bs arguments ?
If you have such strong arguments to begin with like you said , why add all the craps ?
It shouldn’t be needed right ?

If 2+2= 4 , why would I need to add 1+3.5= 4 too ?

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04-13-2024 , 07:17 PM

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Nobody said half was bs. 95% was great. 5% had issues

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04-13-2024 , 07:24 PM

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Nobody said half was bs. 95% was great. 5% had issues

Ok !
But why the answer should be different between 5 and 50% ?

U just acknowledge the mistake and reiterate again the entire arguments without the flaws and see how it goes shrug !?

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04-13-2024 , 10:09 PM

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Yes. Is there some reason why you can't respond to the strong points?

Which strong points do you want me to respond to? Did I contest what you believe to be the strong points? What if I disagree with the weaker points and agree (or at least don't disagree) with the stronger points? Am I supposed to argue about the stronger points in order to give myself cover to point out that the weaker points are, in fact, weaker?

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04-13-2024 , 10:13 PM

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Nobody said half was bs. 95% was great. 5% had issues

Which 5% had issues?

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04-14-2024 , 05:06 AM

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Bro, you didn't have an overarching argument. Well, not one that anyone disagreed with, anyway. You were just belaboring the blindingly ****ing obvious.

If it is "****ing obvious" that it was regulations and the state to allow the build up of too much risk in the system then where are the posts saying "yes luciom you are right the state was the source of the problem much more than its solution so it is morally imperative to vastly reduce the power of the regulatory state for existential risk is caused by it, not solved by it, and anyone supporting the regulatory state is a direct threat society".

If it is ****ing obvious that libertarianism is right about finance where is the widespread agreement about it in this forum? Because I didn't see any

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04-14-2024 , 05:08 AM

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Well if you in fact agree that the regulatory system caused the worst financial crisis in 60 years it would be nice for you to say so yes, then we can move on how to reduce that problem (who to vote for example).

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04-14-2024 , 05:09 AM

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Wait rabbit meat costs less than horse meat in italy

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04-14-2024 , 05:56 AM

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Wait rabbit meat costs less than horse meat in italy

It's an old joke. I guess in those days, rabbit was a delicacy.

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04-14-2024 , 06:08 AM

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As I have said to you in the past, I am probably more sympathetic to your views than most other posters here. I'm probably the definition of "a conservative" if that definition involves having some brains. You are really not doing anything that is sufficiently persuasive to get me on your side of the aisle.

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04-14-2024 , 07:10 AM

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It's an old joke. I guess in those days, rabbit was a delicacy.

Maybe it's the horse meat which not all countries eat I guess

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04-14-2024 , 04:49 PM

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Bubbles always existed in finance …
Way before the regulations you blame on too , existed .

Ever heard of tulip bubble for example ?
Or the rail road by bubble ?
Too much risk in the system just happens , with or without regulations .

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04-14-2024 , 08:26 PM

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I don't believe that the modern regulatory system was overwhelmingly responsible. It was one of a number of contributing factors, but not the most significant imo.

I don't believe that FDIC deposit insurance was a factor at all. I believe that government promotion of a home ownership was a contributing factor, as I said previously. I believe that the perception that government would bail out banks, especially banks that were perceived to be "too big to fail," was a contributing factor, although not as significant as you think it was. Both factors are better described as legislative rather than regulatory, but that's a bit of a quibble, I suppose.

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04-14-2024 , 08:41 PM

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You see it as a "quibble", but his dick is gonna get so hard that you agreed with him on something.

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04-14-2024 , 11:01 PM

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Don't you see the FDIC as the cornerstone of state creditor guarantees? It's existence, predicated on (on paper) reasonable assumptions, is what allows for all the rest.

Same as Marbury is behind all SCOTUS decisions in a way.

The FDIC is the bootstrapping of state intervention in financial markets at its core. It reverberates in every decision about financial market interventions

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