lol at teens reading 50 Shades, any decent slashfiction site has way hotter stuff.

That is not what I am saying at all.

Person A - lives horrible life. Murderous, rapist, debauchery right up to the end where he is shot while doing horrendous crime and is slowly bleeding out...

Person B - has lived an exemplary life. A person no one questions their morals or good nature. BUt is also bleeding out because Person A shot them ...


Both Person A and Person B are lying in the street, side by side and dying. A priest arrives and offers to do last rights for both to ensure they can get into heaven. He administers them and BOTH of them are required to TRULY repent any sins in their lives and accept god into their heart and BOTH DO or BOTH DON'T.

The reward or consequence for both are the exact same. Neither gets any credit or deduction or harder or easier path based on how good or bad a life they lived. There simply is no distinction.

There is no way to say living a good and moral gets you any benefit in terms of the ultimate reward, heaven because it does not. Regardless of how good or bad one is the path to redemption is the same.

You seem to be reaching to make a point that MAYBE you think the 'redemption' would be less likely to be real, by the 'bad person', but you have no reason to assert that.

Okay, with the stimulus money it's about 17,000 up from 16,000 in 2021.

I mean, if you don't count the total number of students enrolled you can make the number 1.3 billion but I was just going off a quick google.

You did the math and still had to lie.

Fake Christians gonna do what they do though.

If humans do need the grace of God to be saved and if God does occasionally provide that grace to us at his whim, what evidence do we have that Laggy and/or Slumlord are enjoying it ?

They both seem like fairly normal humans to me. Nothing terrible but nothing to note either.

This goes against my understanding of biblical teaching, which admittedly is decades old, of the Lutheran variety, and I haven't been keeping up with the continuing education.

B's heavenly rewards would dwarf those of A.

Does heaven have a ghetto? Probably not. But if it does, A's apartment has a perfect view of the OLED billboard on the building across the street and nothing else, and the commuter rail train supports are attached directly to his bedroom walls.

Based on five minutes of Google research, it appears that some Christians believe in a hierarchy of rewards in heaven and others do not.

No.

God's forgiveness if asked for and given is absolute and the you gain entrance to heaven just like the person next to you. Not everyone is rated on a scale from 1 to 100 in terms of how good a life they lived and then given forgiveness and entry to heaven by god but Person 5 was kind of bad so they don't get a good seat, Person 20 was really bad, so they have to stand and get no seat, and Person 88 was horrendous so they have to balance on their head. BUt all were accepted to heaven.

You are not partially forgiven and then accepted. It is full and thus you are treated the same as the person who lived an exemplary life.

I mean, it would be a dick move by God to say you are forgiven, 'enter' but then say ....actually you weren't really forgiven, and still need to account for a bunch of stuff you did prior.

Unless I am mistaken about my bible studies and classes, the Bible makes no such distinction. Not saying random people who call themselves Christians cannot believe what ever they want but I am saying I think their is no basis for such a belief.

The idea of the repentance and forgiveness required to get into heaven was always complete. Not partial. to punish after the fact, means the redemption was partial only.

Biblical debate ITT.

We all know there are any number of verses that can be construed to say this one way or another. That's why certain neckbeards are able to make a full time job out of trolling Christians on the internet, and why I avoid being the idiot trying to argue with them whenever possible. That said...

In the FOR corner regarding proportional reward, you have:

and this one, with a little side dish of, "it's too late for some":

I didn't look up any of the AGAINST verses, since it seems unfair that I take that joy away from whoever wants to prove me wrong.

There's zero chance this derail ends well.

The following verses are applicable to you, to me and your hypothetical devout nun:

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one. -Romans 3:10

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God - Romans 3:23

The wages of sin is death... - Romans 6:23

Evidence of God's mercy is that He doesn't strike us dead two seconds after we commit our first sin. He is longsuffering toward us.

That plan may or may not work out for you. Do you know exactly the hour that you will die? I kinda doubt it.

Here is a sobering thought:

He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy. - Proverbs 29:1

God may tire of your debauchery and willful presumption, and have you die tonite in your sleep. Or not. Not sure that's a +EV play for you, but it's your choice, not mine.


Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near. - Isaiah 55:6

Eternity is too long to be wrong!

[more to come....]

Thanks for addressing this.

Lord willing, this derail WILL end well.

Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation. - 2 Corinthians 6:2

Eternity is too long to be wrong:

Son, remember that thou in the lifetime receivedst they good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. - Luke 16:25


From Baker's Bible Study Guide, by Derek Prime:

Question: What will happen at the judgement?

Answer: Christ will be the Judge and all will appear before Him. The perfect justice of God and the undeniable guilt of all men and women will be plain and beyond dispute. Those justified through faith in Christ will be acquitted from the guilt of sin and will receive rewards according to their faithfulness; the unbelieving will receive their final condemnation. - p. 99 [Emphasis added]

Back to Scripture:

Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so by fire. - 1 Corinthians 3:13-15

So, in my opinion, it would seem that your devout nun would receive greater reward than your deathbed-conversion guy.

A very sad commentary on our culture which is becoming more and more vile every day.

Hard to imagine anyone other than a pervert willingly attending a movie like Fifty Shades of Grey knowing what it's about. (In my humble opinion, of course.)

I had the misfortune of finding a compilation of some of the more disgusting lines in the book.

I'll share just one of the "milder" quotes, with apologies to those with a sense of decency who hate seeing this stuff:

Pulling off his boxer briefs, his erection springs free...

Anyone who thinks trash like that belongs in a school library is either stupid, ignorant or a wannabe child-molester. (In my humble opinion, of course.)

Those scriptures are not referring to someone dead and in heaven working the farm, etc. Those scriptures are referring to people still alive on earth and getting the bounty proportional to their work. YOu sow the seeds, you get the benefits.

What we were taught, which imo is the only reasonable stance in an otherwise typically unreasonable religion is that absolution is just that... absolution.

That for any person to get into heaven, they had to repent and ask God for abolution, and if their repentance was true, it would always be given. And then they would enter heaven just like everyone else.

They never broke down like Heaven has subsection 1A thru 59C where some only get partial fruits of heaven.

If you use your independent thought, it makes no sense that God could give absolution, forgiveness, and then let you in to heaven but then say "psych... fooled ya", you were not really forgiven and now you will receive your punishment.

Any 'lesser heaven' is punishment by default, if logic means anything. Punishing a "forgiven" person means you did not forgive them.

I mean, I am all for you saying God is a hypocrite and liar if that is to be the claim. But that is not what we were taught.

Not for nothing but 50 shades has nothing on The Bible.

It does not. Not even a little bit.

I think it is pretty clear your understanding of the scripture you read is pretty lacking.

For instance, answer this question for me.

Quote specifically, from what Ins0 or you wrote which of those scriptures are talking about a person already dead and who has asked for and been granted absolution and given access to the heaven?

I'll wait.

Also define "absolution" as you understand the word to mean in scripture?

story of lot alone has inspired half of the content on pornhub

laggy reply - 'sure but when God calls for debauchery, rape, incest... it is necessarily good. When a human author writes something even lesser it is filth that needs to be banned because no child should be in a place (library) where that book exists'.


laggy ignore that those kids could see those "filth" words in the bible too.


But lets add more for laggy.

Numbers 31:17-18,40-41 (God commanding to kill all baby boys, and any non-virgin woman but to keep the baby daughters as sex slaves)

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.


Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (God deals with the rape by commanding the rapist marry the woman and commands the woman must stay with him for life)

If a man encounters a young woman, a virgin who is not engaged, takes hold of her and rapes her, and they are discovered, the man who raped her is to give the young woman’s father fifty silver shekels, and she will become his wife because he violated her. He cannot divorce her as long as he lives.



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I mean, we could do this all day.

The best definition for the bible is not 'Filth", it is that it is 'Satanic".

If that exact book came out today as authored by any general person all religious people who read it would call it an abhorrent and satanic book.

It is clearly a derail when we get into quoting The Bible in an Education thread.

Make it stop, please.

IRONY ALERT!!!!

I must confess that I can't define "absolution" as the word means in Scripture. But, I have a good excuse: THE WORD "ABSOLUTION" NEVER OCCURS IN SCRIPTURE!

The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia says that absolution is "not a Biblical, but an ecclesiastical term..."

For example, in Roman Catholicism, only a properly ordained priest can offer absolution.

Question:

Are you saying that I cannot quote Scripture in this thread, but I can quote from Fifty Shades of Grey? Thanks.

Maybe if you stayed away Pornhub you'd be less of a pervert and perhaps would be less inclined to post things like:

Rape, murder.....it's just a shot away.

(filthy Mick)

you have a weird predilection for accusing others of perversion while quoting boner talk repeatedly

Okay, I'll stop piling on LT as I think his motives are pure. Even if I think he's a bit narrow in his view I take him as sincere.

Anyway, the community does have to responsibility to chose books in the school library and if you're in a red state those books are going to mold the lil one's to be compliant and bend the knee to the state. It's not necessarily 'wrong' as someone has to be in charge.

Parents choose where they want to raise their kids. I guess it's okay to breed little haters and hand maidens as long as they don't try to force it on the rest of us.