yep

Other than perverts such as yourself, I doubt many people thought about it one way or another.

Having said that, your statement and my response can both be true.

The staunch religious that I have known, of all religions do not believe in any version of democracy, freedom of choice, freedom of association, or freedom of speech, that would breach the bounds of their faith doctrine.

Given sufficient numbers and the ability to take sufficient power, they would ALL, kill, criminalize or jail anyone who would not conform to their religion.

Historically the only time you see concession in those areas and a pull back from the willingness to impose, is when they do not have the power to impose. If that power grows, the desire and willingness to impose comes right back.

The religious will often try and equate that to a position of 'all laws impose, so we are no different', but that simply is not true.

Most laws set boundaries on what you cannot do to others (forms of aggression) whereas religion seeks to impose laws on what (and who) you do and how you live your life.

And BOOM goes the dynamite. I guess i should have scrolled down to see this specious 'All sides do it' argument before submitting my last post.

the view from my younger religious studies and one I am quite confident laggy shares (please correct if I am wrong laggy), is that religious people like him feel an obligation and moral imperative to save these gay people and others, whether they want saving or not.

Even if the gay people are perfectly happy in their lives and relationships and would be miserable being forced to hide or deny it, that would be seen as a 'greater good' for both (saving their soul and preserving entry to heaven for them).

They believe they serve a 'greater good' and thus how they impose (force of law and arms) is actually required, if/when they have the power to do so.

Many religious would say it would be wrong and immoral for the religious, given all the power to impose a more moral structure on the world, to not do so. That they would then be complicit in the sins if they could stop or not allow them but they turned a blind eye, in a live and let live way, that allowed others freedom to choose.


Is there anything above laggy, that you would disagree with?

Yes.

Which parts?

Legit curious where you deviate from what I found was the very template positions of most of the more fundamentalist type religious people I have known.

Ok, enough speculation about other posters' sexuality. If they bring it up, fine. If not, let us move on.

fine let's discuss beer instead

what brand you like td?



or this?

Here goes:

Disagree.

Disagree.

Disagree.

I agree that SOME religious people would agree with that. I, however, am not one of those people.


I'm now done with this derail. Hope y'all found it edifying and/or entertaining.

(I don't want this splendid thread to get Cooped like so many others have. Even the Election Betting thread almost got Cooped.)

Addendum: Actually, it was rickroll who initiated the derail with his psychobabble rant.

It is a little bit gay to concern yourself with what another man does with his dick. That works both ways, so best to just not mention it and live and let live. Let the man upstairs sort everyone out.

On topic: Milwaukee just elected their first black mayor ever, and we get to find out what happens when there are no more white people left in charge to blame for the poor performance of MPS.

Cavalier Johnson is a product of MPS and shows that it is certainly possible to come out the other side with some success. By all accounts he was a model student and very community-focused. His high school alma mater currently enjoys a 64% 4-year graduation rate, even with the extremely lax requirements to do so.

He's only 35 and certainly talks a good game, so let's see if he can avoid the siren song of mediocrity and corruption that usually grabs our politicians.

Perhaps the City will surprise us all and finally right the sinking ship.

64% graduation rate is sad/scary

incredibly

but most people overestimate graduation rates in general, it's bad but national average is ofen from high 70s to mid 80s and a lot of it isnt necessarily due to bad reasons, ie an apprenticeship for their chosen career opens up so they jump on it etc etc

Need some more programs like Scott's Tots

This is some hardcore copium, as the kids would say.

The next closest high school geographically that ISN'T in the City of Milwaukee has a 91% graduation rate, and even that is still only good for top 50 or so in Milwaukee Metro Area High School rankings.

I assure you, Milwaukee isn't churning out apprenticeship candidates by the busload.

yeah i think my highschool was around the high 60%. college was like half of that.

Maybe rickroll is from New Mexico.

https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...rates-by-state

Not sure I believe you are being totally forthcoming here as you have openly applauded the imposition of laws in areas such as I have touched upon that would force non religious to conform but anyway since you won't elaborate, I won't pose more questions for clarity.

wow, is this a new qp?

recent times i've been goaded into clicking reveal post has shown you've recently been reasonable and not just going back and forth banging your head against the wall, you're off the ignore list (but still on parole)

Religious schools are always backwards for the simple reason that they're clinging to one or another past culture. Society is moving along at a pretty good clip and people don't like change.

It's actually part of a school's job to teach the Spirit of the Age as that helps the generation socialize with itself.

Just isolating and refusing to accept things (even if those things are honestly negative) isn't going to help most kids.

laggy will read this failing to see how precisely this relates to his struggles interacting with people here

A majority of people in society are religious.

Internet forums with edgy affluent white dudes is the bubble, not a parochial school.

Anyone who sends their child to such a school knows what they're getting into. Nobody shows up on the first day, sees a picture of Jesus/Mohammed/FSM on the wall and does the surprised Pikachu face.

pa·ro·chi·al school
/pəˈrōkyəl ˌsko͞ol/
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nounNorth American
noun: parochial school; plural noun: parochial schools

a private school supported by a particular church or parish.

Yeah, being supported by a particular church is much less apt to confine your experience to a bubble than the internet. You just can't argue with good logic.

Glad we can agree on that.

We're not talking about Westboro Baptist Academy here. The sort of exposure to religious concepts you'll find in your average private choice school is just a repeat of what all those kids hear at the dinner table.

Being fervently anti-religion is cool on the internet, but not a great way to make friends in the real world. There are far more of us than there are of you.

What in the name of Ned are babbling about, rickroll? I don't typically "struggle" to interact with people here. What few struggles that I may have interacting with folks in this Forum are the result of me being on thin ice with at least some of the Moderators.