Imagine being okay with people being allowed to kill children in the name of freedom but then also hardcore against pre existence medical procedures.

Quite the contradiction. But that is their bread and butter.

Shithole of the World

I heard Mexico is building a wall and having Trump pay for it. Oh wait that is already happening

82 % of CDN's want the border closed till the end of the year. Though it looks like you have flattened the curve at around 70,000 cases a day

Nah, they had nearly 80,000 yesterday. I have confidence USA#1 will sprint to the 6 figures a day mark. Brazil is trying to compete, but I think the USA will keep the title.

I will be surprised and disappointed if the border to Canada is opened before next year at this time, although ideally when the orange moron gets booted from office the new administration will take actual steps to try to get this contained in a more effective manner.

Canada population - 38 million - cases per day 200-400

Florida population - 21.5 million - cases per day 10,000-15,000 (until they stop posting data then it magically goes away, lets go to Disneyland!)

So where are the new cases being found in Canada? Are they restricted to one area like Toronto or are they in multiple big cities?
Everyone is wearing masks I presume? Given the cases are so low there whats the attitude been towards it?

A good chunk are in the agricultural industry with the migrant workers who are packed in like sardines (4+ per building). Nearly all of them have no symptoms, but how that industry works will have to change to reflect the "new normal." A lot of the earlier cases were people in retirement homes (residents and staff) and that too is an industry that will need a pretty robust revamp with how it is run.

Mask use is not 100%. It will never be 100%, but there are much fewer issues with mask mandates here. Almost no fights between rednecks in Walmart and such. Not as many wacko anti-vaxxers/hoax people like you per capita.

Also, indoor dining did not happen until this past week in Ontario and similar stories in other provinces. Bars and nightclubs are not open. BLM rallies happened and they were huge, but most people wore masks in them, and there were no surges in cases after that.

Canada worked together from all levels of government, and while some may have issues with how some of the things were done, it just created a much different approach.

Now, maybe people in your world will point to that and say it was all sinister government control, new world order, Lizard People whatever, but it is not really hard to see how the different approach had significantly different results.

All the best.

Quick view of Canada


You can see Canada and US running neck and neck in early days of pandemic


How the Provinces drove the Canadian #s for both cases and death



Where are they today

Canada V USA






Alberta is currently dealing with the biggest spike in new cases in Canada with the 3 day moving average being about 100 new cases a day and this is causing great alarm.

Yeah here in Alberta were talking mandatory mask policy. Its like the USA though not as bad some folks just do not want to wear it.

You are correct though 100 cases and were worried. I know bunch of Americans are going yeah how many Albertans are there in the igloos 10,000?

Nope we have a larger population than Nevada by over a million and two large cities over a million and we have an idiot running our country as well.

Trump on Fox this morning Georgia is doing the best job ? WTF

Alberta has more people than Oklahoma. Nearly 1,000 cases a day in Oklahoma. Great place to hold a rally apparently. Anyway, I wonder at this point if someone asked you what time it was or what you had for lunch how you would insert your personal hatred for Trudeau into the answer .

I also would be curious if Lucky had any thoughts on why there is such a huge difference in the number of virus cases between Canada and the US, assuming he believes the virus exists. I did see someone post something about pride parades, and I always hope for geography.

All the best.

I wouldn't want to venture a guess at this time although my basic position on covid remains unchanged-- which is that it's a real virus that is really killing people, with all sorts of hype and fake numbers behind it.
But if Canada has reduced it to mostly asymptomatic agricultural workers then their approach should be lauded. And we can speculate that the reason it's spread so much here is because people just don't want to trust the government enough. I'm currently in one of the "bad areas" for covid in South Carolina. Although that would be impossible to know based on actual lived experience.

Which numbers are fake, and how do you know?

Amusing, but not surprising that you cannot even venture a guess, even with some significant different approaches countries like USA#1 and Brazil with their special leaders have taken vs most other countries in terms of basic strategies. I mean, you are not a moron, so you know a lot of educated guesses, but they do not really fit your anti-vaxxer type agenda, so best to just not venture those guesses. I assume pride parades and geography were too silly for you, though as you have seen - those are some of the guesses ventured by others who did not like the obvious choices.



A huge bulk of the deaths happened in senior care facilities that were horribly run by unqualified people for this type of thing, so it is not as if Canada got everything right.

The US has a government where the person in charge was pushing for full churches for Easter. They are pushing for full schools when they have no control over the virus and we both know the stories of the outbreaks in schools will be all over the place for those in the USA#1 who choose to do that.

US opened up and went partying months before they should. This was the price. USA#1 has a lot more people who think wearing masks is a violation of their rights, but would be offended when Florida Man strips to no clothing to eat his Merica Grand Slam at Dennys.


If and when that changes, will that change your thoughts at all on this?

All the best.

More bad news if true, with regards to any hope that Antibodies would in any way give us time to deal with this thru a season or longer or even after an anti body based vaccine.


Israeli doctor reinfected with coronavirus 3 months after recovering

This is the second case at Sheba Medical Center in which a patient recovered from the virus and was subsequently reinfected.

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A doctor at Sheba Medical Center in Tel Hashomer tested positive again for the novel coronavirus three months after initially recovering from the disease.

The doctor “tested positive again because she has remnants of her first virus still floating around in her body,” a hospital spokesperson told The Jerusalem Post on Sunday.

The doctor suffered from fever, cough and muscle pain when she tested positive for the virus in April, but she recovered and tested negative in May and June.

Earlier this month, she came in contact with a confirmed patient and subsequently tested positive for the virus.

The cases are the latest in a series of incidents of suspected reinfection that have raised questions concerning how long immunity against the virus lasts...

...That raises big problems for developers of potential COVID-19 vaccines, experts say, and for public health authorities seeking to deploy them to protect populations from future waves of the pandemic.
To be truly effective, COVID-19 vaccines “will either need to generate stronger and longer-lasting protection... or they may need to be given regularly,”

I am curious to see if WaitingOnAP has anything to say about this article above.

He went nuclear on me a few pages back when i simply suggested the early data was not great with regards to antibodies having any longevity or resilience that might help people get thru a Covid season (if it tends towards seasonality) or strain, if the mutations remain smaller.

Basically he seemed to be saying even researching antibody duration was useless and we all know that answer before we even start such research, so its a waste of time.

Clearly there are lots of medical professionals and even some of the lines of vaccines that disagree with that, or better yet said 'hope to find data, that does not agree with that'.

It doesn’t though. We’ve had several reports of positive tests months later. This, like the other cases, could easily be just a prolonged positive swab. It per your quote isn’t a second disease. Swabs aren’t that sensitive.

Could also be immunity still as he has no disease, just not sterile immunity

Oh and some viral material from the exposure could be in his nose.

Don’t see how this changes anything. Could it be the beginning of more evidence? Sure, but it’s not especially concerning

No reasonable person could summarize my position has researching antibody duration was useless. Be reasonable please. The issue was that you drew conclusions that weren’t supported by the data you cited.

Immunity to Covid-19 could be lost in months, UK study suggests

Exclusive: King’s College London team found steep drops in patients’ antibody levels three months after infection

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...study-suggests

This is a picture of what is going on in parts of Mexico right now. Those aren't police or military, they are cartel that have completely taken over.

Here is a stat of apprehensions at US border of people fleeing the violence and lack of economic opportunity in Mexico and other parts of Latin America, and coming here to (hopefully) start something better. It has obviously dropped off a lot from last year, but you can see A LOT of people are still willing to take their chances with the US Coronavirus epidemic, for very good reason.



I know from our privileged lives it sometimes it feels like the US is the shithole of the world. But we should have some perspective as bad as things are right now it is a lot worse in many other places.

lol, that video is likely a fake. I've lived in the states and now live in mexico. the us is definitely the shithole and laughing stock of the world

Just because we cuepee and I just talked about this, the reporting on this is poor. All this shows is that antibodies drop after an acute infection. That's normal. It doesn't really suggest that immunity is lost. Obviously it would be awesome if the antibodies never went away at all or stuck around longer and I don't mean to frame this as antibodies not mattering, just that the conclusion in the reporting isn't really supported by the paper. I've linked it in a prior post if you're interested.

A recent antibody study estimated that 16% of Floridians have antibodies to COVID. I don't know how good the methodology of the study is, but assuming it is somewhere in the correct ballpark that means over 3 million Floridians have actually been infected with Coronavirus.

I guess the point is that testing is catching such a ridiculously low % of actual cases, I don't know how useful keeping track of the total positive number even is. The US is assuredly well into 6 digits infection increase/day, so I am not sure what the significance of official numbers getting this high will even have.

bro people aren't being so literal. They don't think that it's actually easier to live in literally every other place in the world. They're making fun of your nonsense.

I tend to agree that in a place that is an utter mess like that that eventually testing and contact tracing almost do relatively nothing. Kind of eventually reaches the point where they should just reverse course and charge into it already. Pathetic that it was bungled so much that they reached where they are today, but with Trump and a Trump wannabe as governor that is what you will get. That governor race was close a couple years ago, but nobody knew it would likely be thousands of deaths and a much bigger mess at the time when they elected the Trump lite idiot. Bet he would not win today.

I also agree that the US is likely already in the 6 figure growth in cases daily, but you need to work with the data you can get. They can look at how many extra people died this year after population growth and factoring in reduced deaths due to fewer car crashes and more due to suicides etc to start to get a better idea of how much impact this thing had in the USA #1 eventually. Guess at that point Trump supporters will believe that if people did not record deaths (of any cause) then fewer people would have died...

You are flat out lying now but that is ok. In Forumland that is as close as we get to apologies.

Fact - our posts are not that many pages back. I never said anything stronger than this "More bad news if true,.." just as I say above and you won't be able to quote anything stronger.

I am NOT drawing conclusions. I am discussing and questioning what is coming out in the scientific community.

You on the other hand across many posts reacted as if it was ludicrous to begin with to even think there would be any better results that what has been posted here now and prior. You suggested that not just myself but the scientists should basically no better that to have expected any better or more hopeful information.

ok then bye

It might be as the last American dies of Covid but, he is right, eventually, one way or the other, it will.

'I'll be right eventually': Trump again insists coronavirus will disappear as the US passes 140,000 deaths


"It will go away":

February 7 - <10 cases: “He (Xi) will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone.”

February 10 - <10 cases: “a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April.”

February 25 - 15 cases: "So I think that’s a problem that’s going to go away.”

February 26 - 15 cases: “You have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero."

February 27 - 60 cases: "It's going to disappear...One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.”

March 6 - 319 cases: Trump again stated the virus would "go away."

March 10 - 994 cases: “We’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away,”

March 12 - 1,631 cases: “It’s going away. We want it to go away with very, very few deaths.”

March 30 - 168,680 cases: “It will go away. You know it — you know it is going away, and it will go away.”

March 31 - 193,954 cases: "It’s going to go away, hopefully at the end of the month. And, if not, hopefully it will be soon after that.”

April 3 - 284,504 cases: "It is going to go away. It is going away.…I said it’s going away, and it is going away.”

April 7 - 410,788 cases: "It will go away” “the cases really didn’t build up for a while.” “I think what happens is it’s going to go away. This is going to go away”.

April 29 - 1,068,111 cases: "It’s gonna go. It’s gonna leave. It’s gonna be gone. It’s going to be eradicated and – uh – it might take longer. It might be in smaller sections. It won’t be what we had”

May 8 - 1,326,579 cases: “It’s going to go away. And we’re not going to see it again, hopefully, after a period of time.”

May 15 - 1,517,723 cases: “It’ll go away at some point, It’ll go away. It may flare up and it may not flare up."

June 16 - 2,211,406 cases: “I always say, even without it [a vaccine], it goes away.”

June 17 - 2,237,660 cases: Coronavirus would “fade away”.

June 23 - 2,246,338 cases: “We did so well before the plague and we’re doing so well after the plague. It’s going away.”

July 1 - 2,778,452 cases: "We're headed back in a very strong fashion. ... And I think we're going to be very good with the coronavirus. I think that at some point that's going to sort of just disappear. I hope."

July 19 - 3,836,674 cases: "I will be right eventually. You know, I said, 'It's going to disappear.' I'll say it again. ... It's going to disappear, and I'll be right,"