Should the converse also be true? Should the unvaccinated be like "**** those who get myocarditis I don't care anymore?"

You cannot close off the rest of the 98% of the population because of the 2% work in nursing homes. It wasn't economically feasible back then, and its even more obvious today with how bad the current state of our government finances are in the west.

You lock down the olds and nursing homes, put in strict covid restrictions for those working there, print money and ship it to them to alleviate their burden. Let it rip through for everyone else.

Absolutely!*

Its not true of course (myocarditis is not causing deaths in any significant numbers as a result of being vaccinated) but then I really don't care what dumb people are thinking as long as I can read them. That is if I am playing poker with them. If they aren't poker players then by all means!!! They are entitled to their own opinions and they get to live with themselves for the rest of their lives.

*It is important to note that even for young men there are more lives saved by being vaccinated than lives lost from myocarditis incidents so the real answer is please keep your opinion to yourself if that is what you think.

young male adults risked more by taking a car to get to where they got vaccinated that they did from the vaccine *and from covid*.

Have you been in a nursing home lately? The youngs could take every precaution known to man but once COVID gets in that nursing home it's over for the olds. A lot of them would be better off being 6 feet under than the "living" they are doing.

Nursing homes are unbelievably depressing places. And the great ex-governor of NY sent people with COVID back into these "homes."

after seeing how it was handled in china

i was in an absolute state of shock how we handled our testing and vaccine centers - it felt like if you weren't sick before going to those places, you certainly would be once it was all said and done

Nope because when u end up in intensive care , they save your life not just for covid but other incidents , sickness , etc .

And again there was 400% increase rates in death , not just infections ……
When u got all your intensive care crumbling over covid cases , u get more problems because u can’t take care of emergency cases that aren’t from COVID-19 .

You and all the others are just always just seeing about covid without ever taking into consideration :
Ho fack , what happens if someone gets sick but can’t receive healthcare because the hospital are already over 300% occupations by « covid, vaccine, lockdown deniers … »
It ain’t just about covid !
It’s about hospitals having the capacities to respond to everyone .
And probably many that end up in intensive care from covid would of died if they wouldn’t receives intensives cares .

So u say it’s overblown ?
Well I trust more military and national defense specialist then your opinion, sorry to say .

And u say it’s overblown ?
That was only 3 months -> u think it wouldn’t of been worst if it lasted 6months or 1 years ?
Yeah right ……

Given that it's the immune response causing the inflammation, those that are getting myocarditis via vaccination would also get it via infection. It's much more common and severe from infection as well.

that has always been the case to some extent, COVID "management" just made it worse, but it's a conversation most people don't want to have.

Would you stop ?
Canadian population 60 years plus is like 18% so it’s already like 1 person in 5 that can have massive problem from covid , not 1 in 50 like alluding too …..
We don’t have a 1970s demographic style for very long time now !

Yeah, but when you see the same thing consistently happening in multiple places such as at the county level as the author outlines in the article then questions need to be asked. It may not be definitive proof but it's a signal that points to something going on that should be investigated at the very least. Something non-covid is causing excess mortality to consistently coincide with vaccine uptake rates across multiple locations. What is that something?

The marginal return from lockdowns in terms of lives saved was not worth how much money it cost to do those lockdowns.

Everyone was emotional and irrational back then when I made these claims, but 3 years later its even more true and obvious.

It's because you are a lemming and fellow along like everyone else without using critical thinking skills.

2 months is what it takes to achieve herd immunity almost every where there was a rip through giving the R values.

WTf are you talking about? Stop what?

We lock down the olds, 65+ and let it rip everyone else.

Nursing home caretakers would also be placed under strict restrictions and we would print money to alleviate their increased burdens.

If people could quantify the lockdown costs they would never do another lockdown ever again if another hypothetical covid came around.


Over the years, I get the same pushback: "What you are recommending is letting the olds die off."


Answer: No I am not, we lock the olds down and have tight control over who comes and takes care of them.


The mental block is right here. People invested all their mental energy into rationalizing the benefits of lockdowns that they are simply unable to say they were wrong and that better alternative courses were out there.

Sorry if I used data instead of critical thinking without data ….

And yet after 3 months , Alberta had to return to high restrictives policies !
It passes your 2 months time frames ….what happened ?
Maybe u just plainly wrong …..

By end of June of 2020 most republican states had re-opened and the all the restrictions lifted by September without coming back. No collapse in sight.


The only mistake they made was not re-opening sooner 100% zero restrictions for everyone under 65, while continuing to lock down the 65+.

Nothing you wrote is accurate. The cumulative COVID-19 USA death toll in mid April 2020 was only 25,000, nowhere near enough to yield a complete picture of how the mortality would play out across age cohorts. The first USA lockdown was in March 2020, so to claim they were a failure just a month later (and with certainty) is absurd and completely unsubstantiated.

What I’m talking about ?
U think COVID only appeared in nursing home ?

For your information not all 65+ lives in nursing home !
And at 60 years old , COVID was already at that age pretty dangerous and the population of 60 to 65 is already representing 6% of the population and they aren’t living in nursing home .
And many people in that age group still works !

So I have no idea why u keep repeating non sense statistic like we did all of this for only 2% of the population .
It’s far more !

Agree
At the minimum u had to wait for vaccine to be distributed at a minimum….
The numbers are incredibly telling how different people end up in intensive care while being unvaccinated vs vaccinated people .

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

In April 2020 US didn’t even reach any peak yet in deaths or infected rates .
No idea how tien can say at that time it was already a done deal

Of course questions need to be asked but the article you quoted presented conclusions, not questions. The purpose of most observational studies is to yield clues on what to investigate next - it represents the starting point of further research, not the endpoint claimed by your quoted author. The easiest way to differentiate a medical researcher from someone spewing bullshit from their basement is how freely they state definitive conclusions based on practically zero conclusive evidence.

Wrong.

We had European data that started in mid January. And Chinese data that started in end of December.

There was 4 months of data by mid April 2020.



Now here is just USA age group data from February to March 2020:






Here is BBC article march 2020.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51674743

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52103747

Lockdown in China started in end January while Europe had to start lock down like in march 2020.

And infections and death started sky rocket then and hospitals were getting overwhelm.

March 2020 Italia

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ath-toll-jumps

“ Italian hospitals short of beds as coronavirus death toll jumps”
“ The number of deaths from coronavirus in Italy rose from 366 to 463 on Monday, according to the head of the civil protection agency. The total number of cases in Italy rose by 24% to 9,172, and of those originally infected, 724 had fully recovered. Some 733 people were in intensive care against a previous total of 650.

There are about 500 available beds for intensive care in Lombardy’s public health sphere, with another 160 in private care facilities. Despite a massive effort to locate additional space there are still not enough.”

Didn’t seem all the data were clear by April like u suggest or u speaking of April 2021 ?

Follow along the conversation instead of blabering all over the place.


We had 4 months of global covid data by April 2020 regarding death rates amongst age groups. Pocket zeroes said we only had 1 month by April 2020 and he is completely wrong on that point.

USA public health policy is not run from information from other continents. We didn't even use Europe's proven COVID-19 test. Yet you believe we're going to make public health policy decisions based on early preliminary data from them?

Not sure why you believe showing an age breakdown chart from what I already told you was an insufficient sample size so early in the USA pandemic would somehow any weight to your unsupported assertion.

Not only am I accurate, I know what I am talking about because I followed this very closely.


Here is Italy data March 23 2020. About 3 months of Italy data.


So if you aggregate in April 2020, we knew everything we needed to know age wise regarding covid.