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09-19-2020 , 08:47 AM

#1276

Rococo

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If you are a mod, Kelhus is a tough poster to deal with. He has really bad takes on a lot of topics. But I wouldn't say that this views are way outside the mainstream of U.S. political discourse. And I wouldn't say that his posting is non-substantive.

I suspect that he gets banned repeatedly for a few reasons. First, he is deeply wed to a couple of these bad takes. He harps on them constantly. He refuses to move on. Second, he is aggressively sanctimonious. He speculates freely and incorrectly about the motives of other posters while never examining his own motives. There is a reason why he is such a fan of the IDW. It appeals to his sense of superiority.

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09-19-2020 , 09:52 AM

#1277

fredd-bird

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Just pulling this back up because I remembered calling out Kelhus for evading bans some time ago. It looks like he still has an active account. From August 29, 2019https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1107

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Originally Posted by Kelhus999

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Originally Posted by fredd-bird

What country is mentioned in the part you bolded?

Do you honestly have this bad of reading comprehension? Every single time you pull a quote or link to an article as a source, you **** it up. I would sincerely expect more "good faith" posting from someone like you, who has had at least five different accounts permabanned from 2p2 and is ban on sight in certain forums.

I was thoroughly prepared to address your question until the last sentence. But now I am done with you. Your bringing that up indicates you are more interested in attacking me than having any sort of honest conversation. Have a nice life.

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09-19-2020 , 02:41 PM

#1278

goofyballer

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

If that's what he was banned for

lololol another guy who has absolutely no idea what actually happened has THOUGHTS on the matter

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09-19-2020 , 05:11 PM

#1279

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 94,159

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

Here is what I know, if Goofy, Trolly, and MrWookie are all going hard in the paint defending the ban, you know it was bullshit. They all want their echo chamber of progressive ideals back, while banning anything that does not comport. I'm not a fan of Kelhus either. Gender essentialism is a concept, a belief, a theory, similar to things like "white privilege". If that's what he was banned for, it was entirely becasue it does not fit the progressive idealistic notions of malleable gender as determined by thought, which, by the way, is a concept, belief, theory as well. One that must be abided by as if it were fact, and all others discredited as "pseudoscience".

I wasn't defending the ban. I was flinging poo at Kelhus in the poo flinging thread.

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09-20-2020 , 08:22 AM

#1280

itshotinvegas

banned

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

I wasn't defending the ban. I was flinging poo at Kelhus in the poo flinging thread.

Fair enough.

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09-21-2020 , 03:07 AM

#1281

itshotinvegas

banned

Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 7,899

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Originally Posted by Rococo

I will never understand why some people use the same username on all their accounts.

It should concern you more that you have people looking to expose stuff like that, and are allowed to operate on the forum, and for no other reason to embarrass someone.

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09-21-2020 , 03:13 AM

#1282

d2_e4

certifiable moron

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 18,328

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

It should concern you more that you have people looking to expose stuff like that, and are allowed to operate on the forum, and for no other reason to embarrass someone.

Hahahhahaha, did it just occur to you that someone you know IRL might one day see the drivel you post here and it will cause you embarrassment if not worse? Who knew that being a shitty person with shitty views might have consequences!

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09-21-2020 , 03:25 AM

#1283

itshotinvegas

banned

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

Who knew that being a person with views might have consequences!

FYP.

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09-21-2020 , 03:26 AM

#1284

itshotinvegas

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Like, I know you won't comprehend the nuance and obvious point implied by my response, but I don't care.

Spoiler:

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09-21-2020 , 03:29 AM

#1285

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

Like, I know you won't comprehend the nuance and obvious point implied by my response, but I don't care.

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Dude, do you know what "consequences" means?

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09-21-2020 , 03:32 AM

#1286

itshotinvegas

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

Dude, do you know what "consequences" means?

Yeah, one of them is being called a shitty person for no other reason than having view that opposes the progressive bent of mind. Like I said, you can't comprehend the point I was making. It has to do with ostracization of opposing viewpoints with the goal to silence them via humiliation. It should not be a humiliating or a consequential experience having a non-progressive view, but it is, and subsequently requires privacy and anonymity in order to speak freely against those progressive views.

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09-21-2020 , 03:41 AM

#1287

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

If your views have led you on a route where you're defending or supporting the party of Donald Trump, it's safe to say you've taken a turn down "shitty person road" somewhere along the way.

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09-21-2020 , 03:47 AM

#1288

itshotinvegas

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

If your views have led you on a route where you're defending or supporting the party of Donald Trump, it's safe to say you've taken a turn down "shitty person road" somewhere along the way.

John Wayne Gacy was a shitty person, and it was not because he was a Democrat. Maybe a reductio ad absurdum helps you understand.

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09-21-2020 , 03:51 AM

#1289

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

John Wayne Gacy was a shitty person, and it was not because he was a Democrat.

This is true, and also completely irrelevant. Hint: one can be a shitty person for one's political views, but also, check this out, for other reasons unrelated to politics.

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

Maybe a reductio ad absurdum helps you understand.

Your complete inability to correctly apply the concepts you claim to understand makes it all the more amusing when you try to invoke them in conversation to make yourself feel smart.

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09-21-2020 , 03:52 AM

#1290

itshotinvegas

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

This is true, and also irrelevant.

Hint: one can be a shitty person for one's political views, but also, check this out, for other reasons unrelated to politics.

Right, I know, anyone who supports Trump is a shitty person, irrelevant of their actual reasons for supporting him. That's what you believe, and your belief is based on an association fallacy, then you use that to impune the character of someone. Trump = shitty, and must mean his supporters are shitty.

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09-21-2020 , 03:56 AM

#1291

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

Impugn. And yes, you pretty much got it in one. Some politicians, parties, or political movements are so bad that supporting them makes someone a shitty person by virtue of that act alone. It's not always fallacious reasoning: would you agree that people who support David Duke are shitty people, for example?

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09-21-2020 , 03:57 AM

#1292

itshotinvegas

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

No, I would think they are ignorant.

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09-21-2020 , 04:01 AM

#1293

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

No, I would think they are ignorant.

I think there's been a misunderstanding. Just because I think you're a shitty person doesn't mean I don't also think you're ignorant. I just didn't see the need to bring it up.

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09-21-2020 , 04:04 AM

#1294

itshotinvegas

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

I think there's been a misunderstanding. Just because I think you're a shitty person doesn't mean I don't also think you're ignorant. I just didn't see the need to bring it up.

I don't care. You asked me question and I answered.

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 09-21-2020 at 04:06 AM. Reason: hint: support for a view/person by itself is not indicative of character

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09-21-2020 , 04:20 AM

#1295

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

I don't care. You asked me question and I answered.

Last edited by itshotinvegas; Today at 09:06 AM. Reason: hint: support for a view/person by itself is not indicative of character

Lol, of course it is dude. You don't get a pass on shitty opinions by calling them "politics". It's not some magic word you just get to invoke that gives you impunity to say whatever you want without consequence. "Hey guys, I think we should gas all the Jews, but don't judge me on that, it's just muh politics".

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09-21-2020 , 06:59 AM

#1296

Rococo

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

I would add that not all people with abhorrent views are ignorant. Some are well-informed people who have made an enormous effort to construct justifications for their abhorrent views.

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09-21-2020 , 07:52 AM

#1297

itshotinvegas

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

shitty opinions ≠ shitty person (in the vacuum you've constructed).

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09-21-2020 , 07:56 AM

#1298

chezlaw

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Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 48,881

The need to call people shitty is nothing to do with politics. It's just a character trait - one that can be grown out of.

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09-21-2020 , 07:59 AM

#1299

itshotinvegas

banned

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

The need to call people shitty is nothing to do with politics. It's just a character trait - one that can be grown out of.

Exactly. Shitty is a subjective characterization. Guess who decides what is shitty, and force consequences on people for their subjective interpretation of what is shitty, and who thinks this is a completely rational way of doing things in a civil society that values speech.