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lol ya definitely believe Anne ****ing Applebaum.

heres the thing. when we compare the Gulags to the USA prison system there is no comparison. hands down our system is tons worse.

On some level you must know you have no clue what you're talking about to keep doubling down on a take that's so far removed from reality. You could say that US prisons are worse than auschwitz and not be a hell of a lot more wrong than you are now. Is this like performance art or something?

Edit: Obviously there's a gap between auschwitz and the gulags on the incarceration system spectrum but from the perspective of the US system they're both off in the distance.

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06-06-2020 , 07:35 AM

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lol ya definitely believe Anne ****ing Applebaum.

heres the thing. when we compare the Gulags to the USA prison system there is no comparison. hands down our system is tons worse.

I'm a leftist anarchist I don't know what and this is just a stupid, stupid post. The USA is ****ed up right now, but it's not the USSR under Stalin. He imprisoned entire ethnic groups and nations. Ask a Chechen.

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06-06-2020 , 07:44 AM

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Grunching: why not just agree that both are bad? Why does it have to be a contest?

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06-07-2020 , 04:35 AM

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No one made it a contest. Defending the USSR is just one of the principal fails made by part of the left.

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06-07-2020 , 10:32 PM

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Victor, is the USA or DPRK the good guys?

both are about the same

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06-07-2020 , 10:34 PM

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who said I was talking about under Stalin? they existed at other times.

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06-07-2020 , 10:38 PM

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No one made it a contest. Defending the USSR is just one of the principal fails made by part of the left.

when I say that prison system of the USA is about the same level of atrocity as the Gulag system in Soviet Union I am most certainly not "defending the USSR".

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06-07-2020 , 10:44 PM

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both are about the same

Then there is still hope!

Once you start feeling that North Korea is your preferred cup-of-tea, you've got to find everything in you to pull that power cord.

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06-07-2020 , 11:27 PM

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Victor is obviously a troubled soul.

What is "hilarious", though, TittyBang, is how you keep claiming to be not a trump supporter. That **** has kept me laughing all lockdown.

Everytime I speak of the haters and losers I do so with great affection. They cannot help the fact that they are ****ed up!

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06-07-2020 , 11:29 PM

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both are about the same

Haha love it.

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06-08-2020 , 02:00 AM

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when I say that prison system of the USA is about the same level of atrocity as the Gulag system in Soviet Union I am most certainly not "defending the USSR".

It was bad under brezhnev too....

Your take here is just ahistorical apologist bullshit.

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06-08-2020 , 03:08 AM

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right well its a good thing theres no evil in capitalism. its a good thing the multinational corporations dont employ literal death squads.

its a totally bullshit argument. oh so human nature ****s up communism but not capitalism? something about capitalism is so great that it overcomes human nature?

the difference is that by its very nature capitalism is meant to subjugate and enslave as many people as possible. thats not the case with communism.

Why don't we ask the Chinese if this is true.

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06-08-2020 , 06:48 AM

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the difference is that by its very nature capitalism is meant to subjugate and enslave as many people as possible. thats not the case with communism.

Hence the enslavement of millions in the gulags

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06-08-2020 , 10:29 AM

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Hence the enslavement of millions in the gulags

hence

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06-08-2020 , 11:58 AM

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Indeed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced...e_Soviet_Union

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06-08-2020 , 01:22 PM

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indeed

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06-08-2020 , 01:40 PM

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Dude do you even have a point here? Are you saying the Gulags didn't engage in slave labour?

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06-08-2020 , 10:11 PM

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The USSR was industrial. If they needed to kill a lot of people who revolted, Gulags weren't quick enough. A good old-fashioned starvation leading to the death of some 6-7 million people over the course of one year was a more efficient solution.

But yeah. Gulags were bad, they were concentration camps and forced labor camps (aka slavery).

The US prison system is certainly worthy of criticism, but this one isn't it.

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06-09-2020 , 10:22 AM

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Grunching: why not just agree that both are bad? Why does it have to be a contest?

Drawing equivalencies that aren't just undermines your argument, which is unforunate, because it is so easy to criticize the current US police/prison state on its own merits, there being no need to pretend it is as bad as the USSR's system.

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06-09-2020 , 04:30 PM

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I think its important to illustrate the extent of the atrocity that is the USA. The prison system being on the same level or worse than the Gulags should be apparent and uncontroversial but look at all the incredulity and resistance it has created.

btw, heres an ultra right wing think tank that accepts the low death rates. in fact, it goes out of its way to find excuses for why they are so low. https://www.hoover.org/news/gulags-v...ng%20the%20war.

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06-09-2020 , 05:25 PM

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The prison system being on the same level or worse than the Gulags should be apparent and uncontroversial but look at all the incredulity and resistance it has created.

You are making it impossible to take anything you say seriously.

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06-09-2020 , 11:37 PM

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We haven't had Capitalism in America for a long time, so it is unfair to the sake of the argument to speak on the prison industry in America and assume it has sprung up from Capitalism.
We will soon have communism when the woke police begin storm troopering their way through cities. Then people will beg for real freedom and equality.

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06-10-2020 , 12:08 AM

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Yeah, wait till America is a colony of China. Then you will find out what police brutality is really like.

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06-10-2020 , 05:16 AM

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This is some delusional ****. You do a lot to undermine the cause you claim to promote. Are you maybe a rightwing mole?

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06-10-2020 , 09:26 AM

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Yeah, wait till America is a colony of China. Then you will find out what police brutality is really like.

how many Honk Kong protester were injuried and killed after burning down an entire shopping center?

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