Many people think or thought the bumble bee was defying the fact science says it cannot fly. A bit of a joke on my part.

I'm not convinced you're right about communism but I'm more of a socialist myself. A democratic one so I better hope that combining two systems that dont work, works.






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Knew it. OP was right, reds under every bed!

You think its legitimate to force people to live the way you want them to under the supposed legitimacy of democracy? You know what ochlocracy is? People should live in a free country where they get to keep what they earn. If you want to live in a commune you can do so. Just don't force me to join.

a phrase isn't an explanation

make an argument

people keep more of what they earn under socialism than capitalism

You could have, you know, read half a dozen more posts and seen that I did.

Imagine a Brit with health care saying socialism doesn't work.

Every single socialist endeavor in this country has worked as well.

Yeah dude, I'm talking about "real socialism" (TM). Like what we had in the Soviet Union, supposedly. I'm not talking about helalthcare.

Edit: equating socialism with healthcare is a bit like equating capitalism with gassing jews and starting wars of aggression.

I think it's the least worst of several illegitimate options. I'm very much in favour of minimal interference with people who prefer to live in communes but sorry they still have to obey some basic rules and they still get stuff like free health care, education, benefits, recourse to the law etc etc being available to them whether they damn well like it or not.

This is marxist bs. No1 forces them to work.
The last 150 years were the most prosperous of mankind. Was that due to capitalism or government intervention?
Do you not have a problem with forcing your believes on others? I don't care if you want to be a socialist as long as you don't force me on your program.
Thats what libertarianism is all about. If you want to be in a commune you can do so. Just don't force it upon me.
Is that so difficult to understand?

No. public health care provided by the govt and paid by taxes is absolutely socialist. Dont see how that is possibly arguable. I could list a dozen other examples.

But Soviet style communism worked too. Ask the starving peasant in 1910 or 1850 if things were better in 1950? Ask the Cuban virtual slaves in Batista era.

Libertarianism is a fantasy for little children who don't understand that humans exist in a society.

Some will go as far as to say that libertarianism doesn't work

I'm not going to argue with you about whether communism does or doesn't work (hint: it doesn't), but I will say that equating "socialism" used as a term for socialised public services such as healthcare and "Socialism" as in what the third letter in "USSR" stands for is, in the most charitable interpretation, misguided.

Countries that have democratic, socialist, etc etc in their names or headline are usually the worst examples.

DDR
USSR
DPRK
Land of the free
etc
etc

I see exactly what you did there

Then again, "Disjointed Queendom" sounds a little stilted, don't you think?

when our libertarian friend above, or really any American, uses the term socialism they mean it in both senses. and when you use the term socialism, they think you mean it in both senses.

but dont you think its kinda funny that you yourself think that socialist programs like govt provided health care are good and proper but socialism itself "cant work" or "doesnt work".

and if socialism as the primary underpinning of society in terms of gov and economy "works" actually leaves out a lot of the argument. bc the alternative as capitalism we know absolutely for sure and without any doubt DOES NOT WORK. look at Covid. look at Texas. look at USA health care. look at climate change.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/26/busin...rty/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ilo-job-losses

Billionaires gained 1.1T, workers lost 3.7T

but we really do have the mother of all parliaments

Capitalism is a corrupt system for sure, but it's a hell of a lot less corrupt than what we had in the USSR. At least under capitalism, everyone has a notional shot. Under what we had in the USSR, if you were richer than the next man, they either shot you or put you in prison and took all your money, unless you were part of the ruling class. That is what I'm talking about when I use the terms "communism" and "socialism".

There is a reason why the "queuing for potatoes" stereotype exists. That **** happened bro, I was there.

Fix your youtube link in post #112 if you see this in time, btw.

Yes, and that's the problem. Those are different things. I certainly don't mean it in both senses. Socialism, as practiced in the USSR, is a very extreme form of what most people mean when they say "socialism" meaning healthcare. There is the small matter of the centrally planned economy, for one. The difference is so extreme as to be, for all practical purposes, one of kind, not of degree.

dunno why it didnt work

https://youtu.be/6Tmi7JN3LkA



edit, guess it doesnt work in the tags. Big corporate oligarchs censoring the TRUTH about SOCIALISM bc they DONT WANT YOU TO KNOW.

click the link to see WHAT THEY ARE HIDING

that **** happens in USA. it is happening right now. one of our biggest states has people freezing to death, starving, without electricity, and about to get 10k dollar bills.

You're doing it wrong. You just need the code inside the youtube tags, not the full URL. The base 64 parameter. Aren't you, like, a web dev or something?

Are the FBI turning up on their doorstep and dragging them off to prison for telling anti-government jokes too? Coz I must have missed that press release.

A bugbear of mine (among many it seems) because it comes up a lot: A few example of communism not working can not and does not demonstrate that communism cannot work.

It the common error of extrapolation from almost no data to claims of proof.